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	<title>Comments on: New Tundra Owners &#8211; Should You Use Synthetic Oil?</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-12460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - Interesting notes about Europe - thanks for commenting. I completely agree that dealers are paranoid when it comes to oil changes, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; Interesting notes about Europe &#8211; thanks for commenting. I completely agree that dealers are paranoid when it comes to oil changes, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-12458</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You definitely have a point there Steve. Very Good comment....</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-12455</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter what website or blog you&#039;re on the comments are always the same when people are talking about synthetic oil, synthetic blends, oil change intervals etc. There are always comments from Amsoil Dealers, but don&#039;t worry I&#039;m not here to sell anything.  Amsoil Dealers tend to know a little more about the Magnusson-Moss Act then most people because we are exposed to it during discussion about synthetic oil.

The bottom line is you can use synthetic oil in any car or truck as long as it meets the API requirements period. I have been using Amsoil since 1996 and yes I go the entire 25,000 miles between changes.  Most people would never consider doing this, but I have 14 years experience plus over 800,000 miles driven between 4 vehicles and I haven&#039;t had one problem nor has any Car Dealer questioned my use of Amsoil for such long drain intervals.  

I had the opportunity to travel to Europe in 2007 and did a little research while I was there.  First of all there wasn&#039;t one quick lube in the entire country of Italy.  Why? because in Europe they have been changing their oil once a year for over 25 years.  Most Europeans take their vehicle back to the Dealer once a year for a complete maintenance check list and that&#039;s about it.  All fluids are changed if necessary and out the door they go. They don&#039;t talk about voiding warranties over there because they use oil that last and doesn&#039;t break down unlike the cheap crap being fed the American public.  Cars in Europe last twice as long as they do here in America and you can relate that to the use of high quality synthetics.

Most people error on the side of safety and choose shorter drain intervals, but you&#039;re really wasting a lot of money. Don&#039;t let the Dealer scare you into using cheap oil because all that will do is shorten the life of your vehicle, which is probably their ultimate goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what website or blog you&#8217;re on the comments are always the same when people are talking about synthetic oil, synthetic blends, oil change intervals etc. There are always comments from Amsoil Dealers, but don&#8217;t worry I&#8217;m not here to sell anything.  Amsoil Dealers tend to know a little more about the Magnusson-Moss Act then most people because we are exposed to it during discussion about synthetic oil.</p>
<p>The bottom line is you can use synthetic oil in any car or truck as long as it meets the API requirements period. I have been using Amsoil since 1996 and yes I go the entire 25,000 miles between changes.  Most people would never consider doing this, but I have 14 years experience plus over 800,000 miles driven between 4 vehicles and I haven&#8217;t had one problem nor has any Car Dealer questioned my use of Amsoil for such long drain intervals.  </p>
<p>I had the opportunity to travel to Europe in 2007 and did a little research while I was there.  First of all there wasn&#8217;t one quick lube in the entire country of Italy.  Why? because in Europe they have been changing their oil once a year for over 25 years.  Most Europeans take their vehicle back to the Dealer once a year for a complete maintenance check list and that&#8217;s about it.  All fluids are changed if necessary and out the door they go. They don&#8217;t talk about voiding warranties over there because they use oil that last and doesn&#8217;t break down unlike the cheap crap being fed the American public.  Cars in Europe last twice as long as they do here in America and you can relate that to the use of high quality synthetics.</p>
<p>Most people error on the side of safety and choose shorter drain intervals, but you&#8217;re really wasting a lot of money. Don&#8217;t let the Dealer scare you into using cheap oil because all that will do is shorten the life of your vehicle, which is probably their ultimate goal.</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-8055</link>
		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey &#8211; I&#8217;ve re-read Johnny&#8217;s comments and my own, and here&#8217;s what I think. First, my comment about Johnny being &#8216;cheap&#8217; was framed with &#8220;Here’s what the dealership (and Toyota) are thinking:&#8221; Second, Johnny is describing a pretty normal situation. Whenever a major repair is on the table (especially when it&#8217;s abnormally major, like a new engine at 76k miles), the dealership ALWAYS says &#8220;If this isn&#8217;t covered by warranty, we need you to understand you still have to pay us.&#8221; Third, take a step back. You&#8217;ve probably got the same number of miles on your truck right now and it runs like a top, right? Same goes for 99.98% of the other Tundras on the road with 76k miles. Then there&#8217;s Johnny&#8217;s truck, which for some reason or another needs a new block. There are 2 possibilities &#8211; either the truck has failed (rare, but certainly possible) or the oil wasn&#8217;t changed on time at some point during the vehicle&#8217;s life (far more likely). It&#8217;s possible that the oil wasn&#8217;t changed BEFORE Johnny bought the truck, and if so that sucks. However, we all know that no inspection involves tearing down a motor and checking for signs of major wear. If I forget to change the oil on my 30k mile motor, it&#8217;s entirely possible that it won&#8217;t become apparent until 75k miles&#8230;such is the nature of the beast. The bottom line here is this: IF the engine wasn&#8217;t properly taken care of, who is responsible? Toyota&#8217;s warranty is pretty clear on that point, and with good reason. They make the trucks &#8211; it&#8217;s up to the people who buy them to maintain them. As for Johnny buying used instead of new, I hear what you&#8217;re saying but I don&#8217;t think it really matters. We all know there are risks involved with buying a used anything &#8211; it&#8217;s not fair, but it&#8217;s not a surprise either. I DO think this is a great reason for Toyota (or someone else) to devise a system for tracking all normal maintenance. That way, the person who pawned this truck off on Johnny could be held responsible for their negligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-8032</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason I hate to disagree but he did buy a Toyota at a dealership even if it was used. Now for starts that dealership apparently didn&#039;t do their multi inspections prior to selling that vehicle. Along with the warranty that was sold too. To use an excuse that he didn&#039;t buy new that he was cheap is an insult as far as I&#039;m concerned. Not everyone, let me repeat &quot;NOT EVERYONE&quot; can afford to buy a new vehicle and wait till one comes available that is within their price range. If that&#039;s Toyota&#039;s response to Johnny Wall then I must have the wrong truck and go back to the crap of GM. Jason that&#039;s not an attitude Toyota should do. They know darn well he can&#039;t come up with all maintenance visits on that truck. All he needs to do is show from what date he bought it from. To expect him to come up with before is ludicrous. He bought it from a Toyota licensed dealership. The inspections should have been done before resale of the truck. If sludge was apparent it would have shown then. If Johnny did all maintenace requirements then how can Toyota void the warranty?  I&#039;m sure Johnny will be forced to take them to court for this.  You know as well as I do they are taking the cheap way out and void his warranty. With that said I&#039;m very dissatisfied with Toyota. Johnny Wall keep us in touch in what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason I hate to disagree but he did buy a Toyota at a dealership even if it was used. Now for starts that dealership apparently didn&#8217;t do their multi inspections prior to selling that vehicle. Along with the warranty that was sold too. To use an excuse that he didn&#8217;t buy new that he was cheap is an insult as far as I&#8217;m concerned. Not everyone, let me repeat &#8220;NOT EVERYONE&#8221; can afford to buy a new vehicle and wait till one comes available that is within their price range. If that&#8217;s Toyota&#8217;s response to Johnny Wall then I must have the wrong truck and go back to the crap of GM. Jason that&#8217;s not an attitude Toyota should do. They know darn well he can&#8217;t come up with all maintenance visits on that truck. All he needs to do is show from what date he bought it from. To expect him to come up with before is ludicrous. He bought it from a Toyota licensed dealership. The inspections should have been done before resale of the truck. If sludge was apparent it would have shown then. If Johnny did all maintenace requirements then how can Toyota void the warranty?  I&#8217;m sure Johnny will be forced to take them to court for this.  You know as well as I do they are taking the cheap way out and void his warranty. With that said I&#8217;m very dissatisfied with Toyota. Johnny Wall keep us in touch in what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-8022</link>
		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny - You didn&#039;t buy your truck from Toyota man - that&#039;s the problem. You bought it from someone who forgot to change the oil. If I buy a used TV and I get it home and plug it in and it doesn&#039;t work, that *might* be a warranty issue. But if the TV repairman says it looks like someone poured out an entire Coke into the back of the TV, that means I got hosed. Your beef isn&#039;t with Toyota sir - it&#039;s with the guy you bought the truck from. Whoever forgot to change the oil is responsible - not the company that made the truck that someone forgot to change the oil in. There&#039;s an important difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny &#8211; You didn&#8217;t buy your truck from Toyota man &#8211; that&#8217;s the problem. You bought it from someone who forgot to change the oil. If I buy a used TV and I get it home and plug it in and it doesn&#8217;t work, that *might* be a warranty issue. But if the TV repairman says it looks like someone poured out an entire Coke into the back of the TV, that means I got hosed. Your beef isn&#8217;t with Toyota sir &#8211; it&#8217;s with the guy you bought the truck from. Whoever forgot to change the oil is responsible &#8211; not the company that made the truck that someone forgot to change the oil in. There&#8217;s an important difference.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny wall</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-8017</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes i understand that, but the truck was bought from a toyota dealership and the extended warranty was bought from toyota. and just cause i payed 35000$ instead of 50000$ shouldnt matter. so toyota doesnt stand by there extended warranty because i didnt buy it new? and i shouldnt have to worry about this problem i have extended warranty to worry about this problem.  so as soon as the first owner sold his vehicle to the dealership the warranty doesnt mean shit anymore?  even if it had 50000k left on it? im not trying to be a dick but all i got out of it was, if you dont buy brand new then toyota doesnt help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes i understand that, but the truck was bought from a toyota dealership and the extended warranty was bought from toyota. and just cause i payed 35000$ instead of 50000$ shouldnt matter. so toyota doesnt stand by there extended warranty because i didnt buy it new? and i shouldnt have to worry about this problem i have extended warranty to worry about this problem.  so as soon as the first owner sold his vehicle to the dealership the warranty doesnt mean shit anymore?  even if it had 50000k left on it? im not trying to be a dick but all i got out of it was, if you dont buy brand new then toyota doesnt help?</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-7999</link>
		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnny - I understand where you&#039;re coming from, but a couple of items to consider: 1) You bought the truck used, which means you bought all the problems it came with. It sounds like the previous owner didn&#039;t take care of it, because there&#039;s no reason except abuse that you should need a new motor at 122k clicks (about 76k miles). 2) Toyota doesn&#039;t owe you because you didn&#039;t buy the truck from Toyota. Here&#039;s what the dealership (and Toyota) are thinking: Since you decided to save some money and buy a used truck instead of a new one, you have the responsibility for this problem. In terms of getting your problem solved, I would suggest you check out this post for a process to follow:
http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/04/30/toyota-customer-service-tips-for-getting-your-problem-solved/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnny &#8211; I understand where you&#8217;re coming from, but a couple of items to consider: 1) You bought the truck used, which means you bought all the problems it came with. It sounds like the previous owner didn&#8217;t take care of it, because there&#8217;s no reason except abuse that you should need a new motor at 122k clicks (about 76k miles). 2) Toyota doesn&#8217;t owe you because you didn&#8217;t buy the truck from Toyota. Here&#8217;s what the dealership (and Toyota) are thinking: Since you decided to save some money and buy a used truck instead of a new one, you have the responsibility for this problem. In terms of getting your problem solved, I would suggest you check out this post for a process to follow:<br />
<a href="http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/04/30/toyota-customer-service-tips-for-getting-your-problem-solved/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tundraheadquarters......em-solved/</a></p>
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		<title>By: johnny wall</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i purchased my 2007 toyota tundra with 90000 km on it. it has warranty up to 140000kms its been sitting in the shop for 2 months. the block blew at 122000 kms. they want me to find all service records since day one. how the hell can they expect me to find that? option 2. they want to rip the old block out so a special tech from toyotas head office can look at it to make sure it doesnt have oil sludge. a multi million/billion dollar company will slime there way around paying for a new block. and even if they rip out the old block to see if there is sludge, and if there is, its going to cost me a thousand dollars. i love my truck but holy shit keep the customers happy. so we continue to buy toyota vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i purchased my 2007 toyota tundra with 90000 km on it. it has warranty up to 140000kms its been sitting in the shop for 2 months. the block blew at 122000 kms. they want me to find all service records since day one. how the hell can they expect me to find that? option 2. they want to rip the old block out so a special tech from toyotas head office can look at it to make sure it doesnt have oil sludge. a multi million/billion dollar company will slime there way around paying for a new block. and even if they rip out the old block to see if there is sludge, and if there is, its going to cost me a thousand dollars. i love my truck but holy shit keep the customers happy. so we continue to buy toyota vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/13/new-2007-tundra-should-you-use-synthetic-oil/#comment-6108</link>
		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny - You&#039;re absolutely correct about the Magnusson Moss act and how it relates to Amsoil. Using Amsoil and extending the drain interval can&#039;t, in and of itself, void your warranty. HOWEVER, imagine sitting in an arbitration hearing with an arbiter that doesn&#039;t truly understand engines and lubricants, and you can guess as to how often this situation works out in the manufacturer&#039;s favor. Hence my comment about anything other than 5k mile intervals being grounds to void a warranty. It&#039;s not what the Magnusson Moss act says, it&#039;s what the arbiter believes...Regardless, the bottom line for me is that consumers shouldn&#039;t use the same oil for 15k miles because they often FORGET an oil change (crazy, but I&#039;ve seen it happen quite a bit). If a person forgets to change their oil at 5k miles and accidentally goes 10k between changes, no big deal (once in a while, not as a matter of habit). They&#039;re probably fine using the recommended oil. However, the best oil in the world won&#039;t take anyone 30k between changes. SO, unless they&#039;re experienced (and not the type to ever forget), my advice to the typical consumer is to stick with the recommended regular old oil and get it changed every 5k. Still, great comment Danny - you&#039;re 100% correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny &#8211; You&#8217;re absolutely correct about the Magnusson Moss act and how it relates to Amsoil. Using Amsoil and extending the drain interval can&#8217;t, in and of itself, void your warranty. HOWEVER, imagine sitting in an arbitration hearing with an arbiter that doesn&#8217;t truly understand engines and lubricants, and you can guess as to how often this situation works out in the manufacturer&#8217;s favor. Hence my comment about anything other than 5k mile intervals being grounds to void a warranty. It&#8217;s not what the Magnusson Moss act says, it&#8217;s what the arbiter believes&#8230;Regardless, the bottom line for me is that consumers shouldn&#8217;t use the same oil for 15k miles because they often FORGET an oil change (crazy, but I&#8217;ve seen it happen quite a bit). If a person forgets to change their oil at 5k miles and accidentally goes 10k between changes, no big deal (once in a while, not as a matter of habit). They&#8217;re probably fine using the recommended oil. However, the best oil in the world won&#8217;t take anyone 30k between changes. SO, unless they&#8217;re experienced (and not the type to ever forget), my advice to the typical consumer is to stick with the recommended regular old oil and get it changed every 5k. Still, great comment Danny &#8211; you&#8217;re 100% correct.</p>
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