Comments on: Tundra v. F150 — Part I: Mechanicals http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/ Toyota Tundra News, Reviews, Accessories, and Information Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:56:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Justin http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-5325 Justin Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:43:11 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-5325 Mickey: But Ford isn't really asking for a loan at the current time. They are simply there to support GM & Chrysler. This helps protect both the domestic and import supply base from following either of those companies into bankruptcy. If either or both those companies collapse, it will take at least a couple suppliers with them, hurting basically all auto manufacturers. Only if either or both those companies collapse will Ford ask for the load, to help weather the storm of some suppliers falling into bankruptcy right behind GM/Chrysler. Here's a good interview with Mulally about Fords purpose in the discussion of the loan. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469204,00.html And here is the current news on the loan pkg. "Ford Motor is not seeking emergency loans but has asked the government to consider standby credits it could draw on if its own position worsens more than expected in 2009 or if Chrysler or GM were to fail." http://www.cnbc.com/id/28312112 **** And what about the untouchable Toyota? This is an interesting read. http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-toyota-could-lose-more-that-1b-during-second-half-of-fiscal-year.html Mickey: But Ford isn’t really asking for a loan at the current time. They are simply there to support GM & Chrysler. This helps protect both the domestic and import supply base from following either of those companies into bankruptcy. If either or both those companies collapse, it will take at least a couple suppliers with them, hurting basically all auto manufacturers. Only if either or both those companies collapse will Ford ask for the load, to help weather the storm of some suppliers falling into bankruptcy right behind GM/Chrysler. Here’s a good interview with Mulally about Fords purpose in the discussion of the loan.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469204,00.html

And here is the current news on the loan pkg.

“Ford Motor is not seeking emergency loans but has asked the government to consider standby credits it could draw on if its own position worsens more than expected in 2009 or if Chrysler or GM were to fail.”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/28312112
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And what about the untouchable Toyota? This is an interesting read.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/re.....-year.html

]]> By: Mickey http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-5322 Mickey Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:01:13 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-5322 Jesse how about bailing them out why you're at it. It only took you two years to catch up. omg! You finally have a tranny. Now see if you can still float if the loan goes through. Jesse how about bailing them out why you’re at it. It only took you two years to catch up. omg! You finally have a tranny. Now see if you can still float if the loan goes through.

]]> By: Mickey http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4603 Mickey Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:29:33 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4603 Justin your Big 3 is asking for money/bailout. Not a good sign at all. Justin your Big 3 is asking for money/bailout. Not a good sign at all.

]]> By: Kain Thornn http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4600 Kain Thornn Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:07:22 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4600 Also, for those who insist Fords and Chevies are so very American, does Toyota have plants in Mexico? Toyota brought their manufacturing to America while Ford and Chevy closed down US plants and took the jobs to Mexico. My 99 Suburban is Mexican made. Also, for those who insist Fords and Chevies are so very American, does Toyota have plants in Mexico? Toyota brought their manufacturing to America while Ford and Chevy closed down US plants and took the jobs to Mexico. My 99 Suburban is Mexican made.

]]> By: Kain Thornn http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4599 Kain Thornn Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:02:55 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4599 I've driven Ford trucks, Chevy/ GMC trucks (I own a 99 Suburban) and Toyota trucks and had many friends who've had similar experiences. It boils down to what you want from a truck. My 01 Tacoma PreRunner TRD was an awesome off road vehicle (only got stuck once in deep mud), my Suburban is an awesome on road vehicle (currently experiencing some electrical issues), my 93 Sonoma SLT Long Bed V6 was also an awesome on road truck. I've driven a few Rangers as company vehicles and they were great! Every truck has pros and cons. If I was going to buy a full size truck it probably would be a Ford or Chevy, simply because they have good reputations by me and they cost less. I’ve driven Ford trucks, Chevy/ GMC trucks (I own a 99 Suburban) and Toyota trucks and had many friends who’ve had similar experiences. It boils down to what you want from a truck. My 01 Tacoma PreRunner TRD was an awesome off road vehicle (only got stuck once in deep mud), my Suburban is an awesome on road vehicle (currently experiencing some electrical issues), my 93 Sonoma SLT Long Bed V6 was also an awesome on road truck. I’ve driven a few Rangers as company vehicles and they were great! Every truck has pros and cons. If I was going to buy a full size truck it probably would be a Ford or Chevy, simply because they have good reputations by me and they cost less.

]]> By: Mickey http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4455 Mickey Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:30:06 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4455 Nate $20,000 difference with same options? Very hard to believe. Especially now with all the rebates and incentives. Nate $20,000 difference with same options? Very hard to believe. Especially now with all the rebates and incentives.

]]> By: admin (Jason) http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4452 admin (Jason) Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:44:49 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4452 Nate - Hallelujah! People have come to expect ridiculous levels of perfection in a system with 10,000+ parts. I always said to these people: "Imagine a scenario where you take your computer, your couch, your home theater system, your home's furnace and air conditioner, strap it to a truck, and move it 2 miles while driving anywhere between 5 mph and 85 mph. How much stuff do you think you'd break in the move?" The answer is somewhere between the idiotic answer "nothing" and the wise response "ok - ok - I get it - just fix it already." I can see why you bought an F150 btw - it made a lot more financial sense for sure, and it's a solid truck too. Nate - Hallelujah! People have come to expect ridiculous levels of perfection in a system with 10,000+ parts. I always said to these people:
“Imagine a scenario where you take your computer, your couch, your home theater system, your home’s furnace and air conditioner, strap it to a truck, and move it 2 miles while driving anywhere between 5 mph and 85 mph. How much stuff do you think you’d break in the move?”
The answer is somewhere between the idiotic answer “nothing” and the wise response “ok - ok - I get it - just fix it already.”
I can see why you bought an F150 btw - it made a lot more financial sense for sure, and it’s a solid truck too.

]]> By: Justin http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4447 Justin Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:19:45 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4447 Nate: Two points I'd like to comment on regarding your last post. ***** 1) I hear you on many people thinking or assuming Toyota makes such a superior product than the domestics. Now during the 80's & 90's, I'd say Toyota was light years ahead on quality and longevity for the most part on cars. But today, the domestics have started to feel the impact of selling lower quality vehicles and have vastly improved their products. Toyota is still trying to live off and market this aspect, which it's good for them, but at the same time bad for the consumer. Many people have turned away from the domestics, and rightfully so, but fail to even take a look at the domestics of today. Without sounding too repetitive, to each their own. Just wish more people would conduct thorough research before buying a product simply off it's name and past rep. But this is where your 'people are easily fooled' comment is true in many respects, even when it comes to the domestics not just the imports. Most cars of today will last just as long as another as long as it's properly maintained. Every make/model will have it's lemon, so many times it's a crap shoot. ***** 2) Now the Tundra, from everything reported so far, is one of the most American made vehicles you can buy. Toyota designed it in America for the typical American. It's built in San Antonio, TX (which you probably already know), and they used to build them in Indiana until they started converting the plant over to build more economical vehicles. The F150 (#1, yeah!) is the most American made vehicle, #8 is the Silverado and #5 is the Tundra. The Dodge Ram isn't even in the top 10, with less than 75% domestic parts content. Heck, even the Sienna is on the top 10 list at #6. Here's a link for my source of this data. http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=amMade0808&subject=ami&referer=&aff=national Nate: Two points I’d like to comment on regarding your last post.
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1) I hear you on many people thinking or assuming Toyota makes such a superior product than the domestics. Now during the 80’s & 90’s, I’d say Toyota was light years ahead on quality and longevity for the most part on cars. But today, the domestics have started to feel the impact of selling lower quality vehicles and have vastly improved their products. Toyota is still trying to live off and market this aspect, which it’s good for them, but at the same time bad for the consumer. Many people have turned away from the domestics, and rightfully so, but fail to even take a look at the domestics of today. Without sounding too repetitive, to each their own. Just wish more people would conduct thorough research before buying a product simply off it’s name and past rep. But this is where your ‘people are easily fooled’ comment is true in many respects, even when it comes to the domestics not just the imports. Most cars of today will last just as long as another as long as it’s properly maintained. Every make/model will have it’s lemon, so many times it’s a crap shoot.
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2) Now the Tundra, from everything reported so far, is one of the most American made vehicles you can buy. Toyota designed it in America for the typical American. It’s built in San Antonio, TX (which you probably already know), and they used to build them in Indiana until they started converting the plant over to build more economical vehicles. The F150 (#1, yeah!) is the most American made vehicle, #8 is the Silverado and #5 is the Tundra. The Dodge Ram isn’t even in the top 10, with less than 75% domestic parts content. Heck, even the Sienna is on the top 10 list at #6. Here’s a link for my source of this data.

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/.....f=national

]]> By: Nate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4441 Nate Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:37:10 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4441 Well sir, I feel the tundra is a fine vehicle as I stated before, but toyota likes to compare cost of ownership to downplay the domestics. For example, I tried twice to purchase a trd 5.7 access cab tundra. The cost on this truck was nearly 40k. Now that said w/ an interest rate at 9.9% (toyota is picky who they finance to) the payments with 2k down would of been around $750 for 72 months! My ford was $33,819 knocked it down to about $29,500 with a 3.9 interest rate along with a 100k warranty and gap insurance, turning the payments into $489 a month w/ 2k down. Both trucks very comparable in features and options. There's almost a 20k price tag difference Mickey. I don't pretend to know it all, but I do know a little about how the auto industry works. Toyota has turned me completely off towards there product. I really hate the people who come in to my shop and whine about little crap with there cars, it really sucks sometimes, but thats what toyota has tried to market to consumers, that toyota is such a perfect product. They all break down, just depends on how well you pay attention to and maintain your vehicle and all will last a long time. This site is obviously biased towards the tundra, here's a little back at ya. Some folks are so easily fooled. I choose to spend my hard earned money on a truck(F150) that is really American made and not claimed to be. Well sir, I feel the tundra is a fine vehicle as I stated before, but toyota likes to compare cost of ownership to downplay the domestics. For example, I tried twice to purchase a trd 5.7 access cab tundra. The cost on this truck was nearly 40k. Now that said w/ an interest rate at 9.9% (toyota is picky who they finance to) the payments with 2k down would of been around $750 for 72 months! My ford was $33,819 knocked it down to about $29,500 with a 3.9 interest rate along with a 100k warranty and gap insurance, turning the payments into $489 a month w/ 2k down. Both trucks very comparable in features and options. There’s almost a 20k price tag difference Mickey. I don’t pretend to know it all, but I do know a little about how the auto industry works. Toyota has turned me completely off towards there product. I really hate the people who come in to my shop and whine about little crap with there cars, it really sucks sometimes, but thats what toyota has tried to market to consumers, that toyota is such a perfect product. They all break down, just depends on how well you pay attention to and maintain your vehicle and all will last a long time. This site is obviously biased towards the tundra, here’s a little back at ya. Some folks are so easily fooled. I choose to spend my hard earned money on a truck(F150) that is really American made and not claimed to be.

]]> By: Mickey http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4440 Mickey Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:39:05 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/15/tundra-v-f150-part-i-mechanicals/#comment-4440 Nate It takes alot for a man like yourself owning another manufacturer vehicle and working for another. I didn't take your comment personally so I'm not bothered by it. To me it takes away your honest opinion and your knowledge on the subject which you should know alot on the Tundra. Nate It takes alot for a man like yourself owning another manufacturer vehicle and working for another. I didn’t take your comment personally so I’m not bothered by it. To me it takes away your honest opinion and your knowledge on the subject which you should know alot on the Tundra.

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