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	<title>Comments on: Tundra v. F150 &#8212; Part II: Features and Pricing</title>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/03/19/tundra-v-f150-part-ii-features-and-pricing/comment-page-1/#comment-5221</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don: I understood you point, simply wanted to clarify that no matter if you come out on top or not, you are still at a loss, whether it&#039;s vehicle damage, personal injury or god forbid death.
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Now I&#039;ll refer you to a Ford site that I frequent, which a poster has created a thread called &quot;Tundra Crash Pics&quot;. He comes on the site and posts pics from www.copart.com about once a month. Now keep in mind, there are some blind Ford cheerleaders that totally hate Toyota and see that Ford can do no wrong, so you may want to disregard some/many/most of the comments people have made. Now to view the pics, you&#039;ll need to become a member of the forum. Some of the pics you&#039;ll see aren&#039;t too bad at all, while others will make you wonder &quot;What the hell was the driver doing?&quot; This thread is roughly 22 pages long with many mangled 07-08 model Tundras, but page 9 and forward show some of the most mangled trucks.

http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?s=d27f126958dd79a059e031de1d06cf20&amp;showtopic=13645
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Now I&#039;m sure there are plenty of F150s and Fords out there, simply wanted to show that the Tundra is no exception to being destroyed in an accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don: I understood you point, simply wanted to clarify that no matter if you come out on top or not, you are still at a loss, whether it&#8217;s vehicle damage, personal injury or god forbid death.<br />
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Now I&#8217;ll refer you to a Ford site that I frequent, which a poster has created a thread called &#8220;Tundra Crash Pics&#8221;. He comes on the site and posts pics from <a href="http://www.copart.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.copart.com</a> about once a month. Now keep in mind, there are some blind Ford cheerleaders that totally hate Toyota and see that Ford can do no wrong, so you may want to disregard some/many/most of the comments people have made. Now to view the pics, you&#8217;ll need to become a member of the forum. Some of the pics you&#8217;ll see aren&#8217;t too bad at all, while others will make you wonder &#8220;What the hell was the driver doing?&#8221; This thread is roughly 22 pages long with many mangled 07-08 model Tundras, but page 9 and forward show some of the most mangled trucks.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?s=d27f126958dd79a059e031de1d06cf20&amp;showtopic=13645" rel="nofollow">http://www.blueovalforums.com/.....opic=13645</a><br />
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Now I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of F150s and Fords out there, simply wanted to show that the Tundra is no exception to being destroyed in an accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickey: The 97-03 model F150 had a bad frontal crash test rating mostly in the Scab models, due to the lack of a B pilar, while the Rcab &amp; Screw models weren&#039;t nearly as bad. I also like to point out, the 97-03 model did have a decent crash test rating when released (1996 as a 1997 model) compared to the competition at that time. But over the years the crash test requirements/standards got more stringent, dropping the F150 back in this area until the 04-08 model release in 2003.
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Now lifted trucks can have their down fall in accidents as well. Increasing the height of these already top heavy vehicles only makes them more prone to tip/roll, especially if hit by another vehicle at the right angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey: The 97-03 model F150 had a bad frontal crash test rating mostly in the Scab models, due to the lack of a B pilar, while the Rcab &amp; Screw models weren&#8217;t nearly as bad. I also like to point out, the 97-03 model did have a decent crash test rating when released (1996 as a 1997 model) compared to the competition at that time. But over the years the crash test requirements/standards got more stringent, dropping the F150 back in this area until the 04-08 model release in 2003.<br />
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Now lifted trucks can have their down fall in accidents as well. Increasing the height of these already top heavy vehicles only makes them more prone to tip/roll, especially if hit by another vehicle at the right angle.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justin I think you&#039;r right when you say that no one wins in an accident what i ment when I sayed I&#039;d would have rather been in an accident in the tundra is because I&#039;ve accually seen the 07 tundra get hit buy other truck and the tundra gave out some good results. thats why I would prefer to be in the tundra if i were to be in an accident I&#039;m not going to win it but I think it less of a risk that I have to take because of what I&#039;ve seen (sorry if I made any mis understandings) but any ways thank&#039;s for your comment justin and no offence to ford or any of the domestic vihicles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>justin I think you&#8217;r right when you say that no one wins in an accident what i ment when I sayed I&#8217;d would have rather been in an accident in the tundra is because I&#8217;ve accually seen the 07 tundra get hit buy other truck and the tundra gave out some good results. thats why I would prefer to be in the tundra if i were to be in an accident I&#8217;m not going to win it but I think it less of a risk that I have to take because of what I&#8217;ve seen (sorry if I made any mis understandings) but any ways thank&#8217;s for your comment justin and no offence to ford or any of the domestic vihicles</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin you know around the 03 model F-150 was bad in a accident. But still I had one. You have very good points there. I do agree with the personal preference. In any accident with a compact against a truck will have terrible results. To me even worse if the truck is lifted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin you know around the 03 model F-150 was bad in a accident. But still I had one. You have very good points there. I do agree with the personal preference. In any accident with a compact against a truck will have terrible results. To me even worse if the truck is lifted.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don: Each person has their personal preference, and you have your right to feel how you do. Personally when it has come to safety overall, I truly can&#039;t say Toyota or Ford is better, think it&#039;s on an individual basis, depending on the particular vehicle in reference and the features installed/offered that may make the difference. Some Toyota models may be better than their Ford counter part, but visa versa could be said about certain models too. Just because a vehicle is built better by a quality standpoint, doesn&#039;t make it safer. Now I do agree, Toyota is much more responsible in taking action on flaws or problems their vehicles have than the domestics, at least in my experience. This could be changing, at least that&#039;s what the domestics claim, but we&#039;ll truly have to wait and see.
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Exactly what have you heard about Ford being bad in the safety dept in the past? Simply would like to know the models and safety problems you speak of.
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And hey, you are more loyal to the safety of Toyota, no problem by me or anyone on this site. Personally most cars/trucks on the road are similarly safe in most aspects, unless we speak of a Corolla on Tundra accident. No matter the safety features, mass more than likely wins the majority of the time. And truthfully, no one wins in an accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don: Each person has their personal preference, and you have your right to feel how you do. Personally when it has come to safety overall, I truly can&#8217;t say Toyota or Ford is better, think it&#8217;s on an individual basis, depending on the particular vehicle in reference and the features installed/offered that may make the difference. Some Toyota models may be better than their Ford counter part, but visa versa could be said about certain models too. Just because a vehicle is built better by a quality standpoint, doesn&#8217;t make it safer. Now I do agree, Toyota is much more responsible in taking action on flaws or problems their vehicles have than the domestics, at least in my experience. This could be changing, at least that&#8217;s what the domestics claim, but we&#8217;ll truly have to wait and see.<br />
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Exactly what have you heard about Ford being bad in the safety dept in the past? Simply would like to know the models and safety problems you speak of.<br />
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And hey, you are more loyal to the safety of Toyota, no problem by me or anyone on this site. Personally most cars/trucks on the road are similarly safe in most aspects, unless we speak of a Corolla on Tundra accident. No matter the safety features, mass more than likely wins the majority of the time. And truthfully, no one wins in an accident.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is biast but I think that toyota builds there cars and trucks better that ford toyota is a VERY RESPONSIBLE company yeah i think the power stoke and mustangs can be cool and stuff but still I&#039;m going to side with toyota on saftey and things like that I mean i havent heard good things about ford in the past and as a matter of fact IF I WERE TO BE IN AN ACCIDENT RIGHT NOW I WOULD CRASH IN THE TUNDRA thats how dependent I am on toyota yeah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is biast but I think that toyota builds there cars and trucks better that ford toyota is a VERY RESPONSIBLE company yeah i think the power stoke and mustangs can be cool and stuff but still I&#8217;m going to side with toyota on saftey and things like that I mean i havent heard good things about ford in the past and as a matter of fact IF I WERE TO BE IN AN ACCIDENT RIGHT NOW I WOULD CRASH IN THE TUNDRA thats how dependent I am on toyota yeah</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biased or not the f150 is a pice of junk. I have a 05 lariat supercrew and I&#039;ve had to put in 2 short blocks and a head to name the major things. Plus the ride un it sucks compaired to the tundra. My next truck will be a tundra ill never own a ford again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biased or not the f150 is a pice of junk. I have a 05 lariat supercrew and I&#8217;ve had to put in 2 short blocks and a head to name the major things. Plus the ride un it sucks compaired to the tundra. My next truck will be a tundra ill never own a ford again.</p>
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		<title>By: crush</title>
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		<dc:creator>crush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a Canadian publication but this site has facts and unbiased opinions. Check it out!!

www.canadiantruckkingchallenge.ca/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a Canadian publication but this site has facts and unbiased opinions. Check it out!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canadiantruckkingchallenge.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.canadiantruckkingchallenge.ca/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very biased review, but what would you expect from a site called &quot;TundraHeadquarters&quot;. As for work, the Tundra has nice features but is still new and has not proven it can hold up over time, yet. Other than the power (HP/TQ), 6spd trans and larger brakes, I see the Tundra having no advantage.

Also, the Tundra does have a higher sticker price, but after doing research on NADA &amp; KBB, when equipped in similar fashions, the Toyotas doesn&#039;t prove to hold it&#039;s resale value as well. So the higher resale value is just and illusion. Do the research yourself if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very biased review, but what would you expect from a site called &#8220;TundraHeadquarters&#8221;. As for work, the Tundra has nice features but is still new and has not proven it can hold up over time, yet. Other than the power (HP/TQ), 6spd trans and larger brakes, I see the Tundra having no advantage.</p>
<p>Also, the Tundra does have a higher sticker price, but after doing research on NADA &amp; KBB, when equipped in similar fashions, the Toyotas doesn&#8217;t prove to hold it&#8217;s resale value as well. So the higher resale value is just and illusion. Do the research yourself if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: the raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>the raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Toyota is far more likely to be my next truck, but this review is awfully biased.  A &quot;straw man&quot; argument, if you will.  

But really, Toyota has nearly doubled its sales of the Tundra over last year, and they haven&#039;t been selling at rock bottom prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Toyota is far more likely to be my next truck, but this review is awfully biased.  A &#8220;straw man&#8221; argument, if you will.  </p>
<p>But really, Toyota has nearly doubled its sales of the Tundra over last year, and they haven&#8217;t been selling at rock bottom prices.</p>
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