Toyota Tundra Camshaft “Problem”

Hiccup, not hick-up.

“When you’re at the top of the food chain, everyone wants to eat your lunch.”

If I’m not mistaken, this is toyota 1st attempt at making a full size truck and ranks dead last in sales. Am I missing something?

My friend’s Tundra just broke a camshaft on Saturday. I’m going to guess this problem is going to be farther reaching than Toyota would have us know. To make things worse, despite Toyotas claim that the have 1600 Tundras sitting around for customers to drive during repairs, they gave him a Corolla. He is 6′7″ 250lb. Not good customer service if you ask me.

The media very rarely reports Toyota, Nissan, and Honda failures…In fact, I really haven’t heard to much from the nationaly news media with regard to this issue. Reality is, if it were GM, Ford, or Chrysler (soon to be cerebrus capital) it would be national news for days. The media seems to hate american company manufactured products…and we fuel the fire by buying them. Stupid.

I own a 5.7 Tundra and if it breaks, it will be repaired. I know that it could happen and I don’t let it consume me. Ive got better things to worry about. I bought a new truck because it has a warranty. I bought a Toyota because I want a vehicle with the best quality. Even Toyotas break sometimes. everyone should quit whining about what might happen. quit sucking your mommas tit and get back to work!

Strange that a new diff would be slipping…do you have aftermarket wheels or tires on the truck?

Well I think its right to know that which truck isn’t working right because i just a bought a Toyota Tundra 5.7 limited. I got about 536miles on it already but i really want to know if its a big issue. I love the truck i got the 2002 tundra and now i got the 07 Tundra. I just want to know if it’ll run like my 02. I got 168k miles in my 02 already and it ran like a baby through all my trips through states and its still running like a baby. But my 5.7 i just want to know if its going to be a big problem.

The bouncing bed issue is a misnomer — most truck beds are designed to move independently of the cab. As for the camshaft issue, Toyota says most of the vehicles affected were sold before April. Since you just bought your truck, you should be fine.

In response to Admin.
Have you looked at the bed bounce pictures available on line at the Toyota forum? Evidentiially not, since it is obvious that there is a serious design flaw. When the bed damages the paint on the cab assembly due to it’s movement I would suggest that the engineering department did not adequately test the vehicle. You are wrong Toyota Tundra does have a bouncing bed problem.

I have decided I haven’t been burnt or will have been burnt buying this Tundra. Re the box …I haven’t yet seen anything that indicates that I might have the problems others have mentioned. I will say one thing though its not really important,….this truck (5.7) burns out more than any pickup and other cars I’ve owned. Burning out meaning it leaves others behind if you are so inclined. It comes from there motor they built to run in the NASCAR series and the problem they had with it was to reduce the HP for the consumer truck.
By the way Ken, what do you mean by rawes up, when you you start. Is it like when you start the motor and it has High revs for 45 secs or so. I think thats normal but I could be wrong.
I’m a happy camper with this puppy bad cam or not!
Cheers

I’m the proud owner of a 5.7 Double Cab with the 20″ BBS wheels in Radiant Red, chrome tube steps, XSP leather, carbon fiber dash, chrome skid plate, etc… they put on the XSP package in the southeast. I paid less than 32K for it yesterday (8000 below MSRP with tax). I have had a lot of people ask me about the truck. I will catch the Chevy, Ford, and Dodge faithful staring at this truck whenever I stop at a redlight(some of the die hard ones quickly turning there heads when I catch them checking out the truck).

It’s the baddest truck on the road period.

The camshaft and bed problems don’t even worry me one bit. It I were driving one of the Big 3 I would be worried (that they would stick me with the repair bill).

I KNOW that if Toyota has under-engineered something…Toyota will fix it and won’t charge me a dime. That is why their customers are loyal. If Toyota makes a mistake…NO MATTER WHAT THE COST…Toyota will admit it…and Toyota will fix it.

I speak from experience.

The 2000 model Toyota Sienna’s had a brand new all aluminum engine in them with some undersized rod journals…and probably some other defects. The engine ran great for my wife and I. At about 87,000 miles I went to change the oil myself and when I pulled the drain plug…NOTHING came out. I nearly crapped myself. I pulled the filter and got a little drop or two. I added a quart of oil with the plug and filter out………nothing drained out of the plug. I knew the topend must be stopped up. I put some engine cleaner in it…ran it for 5 minutes after reinstalling the plug and filter….shut it off….pulled the plug….and about 7 quarts of nasty oil and flush came out. I took it to the dealer the next day.

I was pissed.

The next day I watched the mechanic at Cherokee County Toyota in Canton, GA pull the valve cover off on one side. JELLO! Looked like a ‘74 Ford F-150 that never had an oil change.

I had changed it consistently.

At this point I’m thinking….I have 87,000 miles and no warranty remaining…and I will never buy another Toyota.

The service manager walked over and took a look and admitted that I had what they had termed a “Jeller”. He said that even though Toyota didn’t have a recall they were aware that there were some problems with the original engine design and that some people were having this problem.

They installed a brand new short block in my wifes Sienna…and at NO charge to me…OUT of warranty…87K miles…and at NO CHARGE.

You can bet your sweet ass NOONE who drives a Ford, Chevy, Dodge or Nissan can make this claim. If those companies took responsibility for the junk they produce they would be out of business. It’s that simple. Toyota has the highest quality of any vehicle manufacturer PERIOD. That is the reason Toyota has the best resale value in the industry.

Toyota made a believer out of me when they took responsibility for their mistake. (the bill would have been around 6K for the work they did)

Like I said…I have the baddest looking truck on the road…with more power than I’ll ever need…and I am absolutely not worried one bit about the crank or the bed. If there really is a problem, Toyota will be the first to admit it…and the only Manufacturer in the world who will do the right thing.

That’s my 2 cents.

PS…that Sienna is sitting in my driveway right now…196,000 miles and running strong. It pulled a 16 foot 7,500lb rated double axle trailer with 3 dirt bikes and a four wheeler about 60 miles from my house to the mountains only a few weeks ago. The old girl has earned her keep and will now get a much deserved rest.

The new 5.7 will give the trailor a piggy back ride in the morning. Probably only about 3000 lbs but I will let you know how it goes. Either way I’m not worried one bit and will have a good time with my family.

That’s what I call peace of mind.

i am ready to turn 10k miles on my 07 tundra 5.7, I drive this truck like it a dragster that can drag around 10,000lbs trailers, all these fools writing about what a p.o.s. this truck is apparently are still be getting rammed or stroked while mopping up there oil stains with their bowties! this truck is all toyota baby!!!! bed bounce… no! roll over sensor may beep a little too soon for me but with more lawyers in the phone book than people toyota plays it safe, as for any cam issues i will patiently continue to beat the crap out of my truck till (or if )it fails. toyota will handle the problem if one occurs. toyota does not need to offer 100k mile warrenties because they would rather build a better product than chance longevity. a foreman who works for me bought a 02 tundra 2 weeks before my last powerstroke, his has been in the shop twice with 136k miles, poor fuel milage at 80k(first air filter took care of that one) and his 3 year kid stuffed three quarters in his cd player, my powerstroke on the other hand had 5 turbos, 1 altenator, 2 batteries, 6 oil leaks complete hub to hub front axle rebuild and oh yeh 5 cam sensors replaced by 100k, then the 6th turbo went out 3k after warrenty, ford said sorry it’s out of warrenty with only 30k on that turbo, i replaced the turbo and sold truck to someone who drove it for 6k miles before some other sensor grounded out and burnt truck to a crisp! i think i will risk all of that and take a `chance’ on a tundra!

Tony Wrote:

“This baby is the baby i’m not trading this baby for anything unless a newer tundra comes out or Diesel so i can replace my chevy diesel with a toyota diesel”

O.K. Baby!

dear 07 tundra, what’s the matter did your tires wear out at 36,300 miles? ( fyi that’s 200 miles a day 7 days a week for 6 months) and when you get your new chevy make sure and tell everyone how enveoius your are of the 07 tundra because you cleary want one but your mommy wouldn’t cosign for you!

Unfortunately the bed bounce problem is real. As a Tundra DC owner I’m eagerly awaiting a fix from Toyota. It’s a shame this wasn’t addressed sooner.

In regards to this “Bounce” that some of you are commenting on. Is this model the off road? I have the B package and have experienced nothing like you guys are talking about. With the “Off Road” package and tougher suspension I could see the possiblities.

HEY GUYS THIS BOUNCE YOUR TALKING ABOUT IS MORE THAN LIKLEY TO BE CAUSED BY 3 FACTORS 1ST MOST OF YOU LIKE MYSELF PROBABLE HAVE DC STANDARD BOX 4X4 THESE TRUCKS HAVE A FAIRLY STOUT SUSPENSION AND WHEN EMPTY BOUNCE ON THE CRAPPY CONCRETE SEAMS IN THE HIGHWAY. I AM SURE ALL THE COMPLAINTS ARE FROM PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND WITH NO PAYLOAD, TRY TOSSING 2 TUBES OF SAND (ABOUT 100 LBS WORTH)IN THE BED AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS. I USUALLY HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED POUNDS WITH NEXT TO NO BOUNCE. TRY TAKING A RIDE IN DODGE AND SEE IF THE FILLINGS ARE STILL IN YOUR TEETH WHEN YOU ARE DONE.

ok it’s official….check out out consumer reports sept issue and stop complaining, check out also how a 1/2 ton tundra can out pull a 3/4 ton duramax and then question the ride charecteristics of both, yes the chevy rides nicer but you pay the price with towing capacities! and like i said before go drive the dodge and find out what a higher towing capacity can do for your bounce.

How could you possibly think that a Tundra can tow more than a Chevy with a Duramax Diesel? That is the most outrageous thing I’ve heard in this whole thread. Its not logical, it goes against engine 101. I have no doubt that the tundra is a fine truck, but lets stop making things up to compensate for a few known issues. If you really believe everything you read in consumer reports, I have a sandbox for sale in Florida, perhaps you be interested.

read the artical and let it speak for it shelf. i got ride of my powerstroke f550 and i am telling you this new tundra is BAD ASS!!!!! i took my 550 over Eisenhower tunnel in colorado with a chapperrel signature 24 cabin cruiser, did not overheat but temp spiked bad at top of east bound side,truck only managed 50 mph at best. same boat over Berthoud pass in new tundra was able to pass everyone except unloaded f 150. and by the way is it a beachfront sandbox? or is it the piece of land that you bought as part of a chevy deal? GO DRIVE A TUNDRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My 07 xsp 5.7 liter tundra is at the dealer now because of a vibration in the tranny in the lower gears. They won’t tell me anything accept that they are waiting to hear from toyota. I have been driving a damn yaris for a week and I AM PISSED.

This vibration seems to be pretty common and toyota is being very tight lipped about it . Has anybody here had this problem?

i had a little vibration when i floored it for about 1500 miles and seams to have stopped. the only thing’s i really don’t like about the truck is the rear visability(glad for the camera) and my fuel tank sending units is off by about 4-5 gallons

hey admin, i have seen your name alot around these pages, what is your job title if you don’t mind? and what is your say on the tundra’s towing abilities vs duramax, everywere i look i see duramax rated at 9800 lbs, is this correct? and i don’t think 5 gallons off on a 26 gallon tank is acceptable, 1/2 tank is at 10 gallons and at my current average it says 315 miles max per tank.shame on toyota for giving in to the american way of thinking!

Also, Duramax tow ratings on pick-ups is 12,500 up to 16,500 depending upon configuration. What really matter though is GCWR which is as high as 23,500. The 9800 rating you see may be on an Express Cargo van.

ok , the f 550 was purchased to replace a f 350 that pulled a forklift weighing 24K lbs total trailer weieght, both were 7.3 powerstrokes f 350 pulled much better but truck was to light. f350 was a good truck till about 75K, traded 550 for a freigtliner and cash,sold my 74 & 99 land cruiser’s for a tundra. so far the tundra has met all of my expectation for a truck i’ve waited 20 years for,yeah towing milage is not very good but still get better than my wifes 03 expedtion does and with last tank of 16.2 mpg i coul not be much happier. and why is it every were i look there are differant ratings on for and chev 1/2 tons? admin your talking about a 1 ton at 12.6k i assume that is a typo

Guys thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt and assuming my comment about 12,400 was a typo, but I have to admit I was a moron and was looking at the wrong motor (6.0L gas, not diesel).

The number should be 16,500, and thats a DRW 4×4 Reg Cab Duramax. Much better. My apologies.

Just read every post and I’m not suprised. Most people purchased their Tundra for the HP/TQ rating and for the build quality/reliability.

Now as issues slowly arise, they say these are a none issue, but seem to bash other makes/models if they have an issue.

I’d have to agree with JC, that the media jumps on the domestics a lot harder than they do the imports when there is a problem or recall released.

And whoever said the Tundra can out tow a 3/4 ton Duramax needs to read up on their trucks a little more. I’m sure the Tundra can tow a great deal, but controlling the load on inclines/declines, stopping and in heavy cross winds is a totally different story when you compare 1/2, 3/4 & 1 tons.

I bought a 2007 Tundra, drove it back from Denver to Steamboat (about 150 miles ) and the Air Conditioner Compressor failed. I was bummed. This is the first japanese truck I have ever drivin, so much for Toyota reliability. I brought it back to the dealer and when the went to order the part, Toyota was so surprised that the thing broke they flew 4 engineers from California to check it out. The took the part back to study it. For me the Jury is still out on this truck. Anyone have the same problem??

I think a lot of ppl bought the tundra simply for the “racecar” aspect of it. However, there is a lot more to a truck than it’s 0-60 times. If I want to race, I’ll pull the ls1 T/A outta the garage. If i want to drive a truck to pull the horse trailer and not fall apart doing it, I’ll drive the d-max

After reading these posts and noticing the compairisons people have made with the new tundras and trucks like a duramax, 3/4 tonnes and the likes. i thought i would point out a thought that occured to me. The new tundra is toyota’s first foray into the full size truck market, and its first foray into full size truck problems. Toyota’s past trucks have all been fairly small by the “big 3″ standard. heavy construction companies, farmers, oilfield workers and about anyone who really “works” their truck dont buy them because they wouldnt expect a truck of that size to stand up to the rigors of the job, they just wernt designed for it. they are “light” trucks not designed for work. A full size truck 1/2 ton 3/4 ton 1 ton are designed for work, and ARE worked. but they are all dual purpose, work and daily driving machine, we all want a harty truck with all the comfort, unfortunatly the two arnt exactly synonomous so the manufacture has to try and balance comfort and durability. Chev/GM leans more on comfort, Ford on durability and dodge on Affordability (meaning niether very comfortable or durable but affordable to all) Now that the new tundra is here, and full size, i have to wonder which way toyota went, though i think i can guess. Also, the tundra is “only” a half ton. in my eyes a half ton is more of a truck you would buy if you didnt want to drive a car, but thought the “light” trucks too wimpy. Toyota is trying very hard to make the image of the tundra to be that it can work every bit as hard as any chev/dodge/ford and i cant help but wonder if they are risking there reputation of being reliable. the tundra is toyota’s largest truck, but compaired to ford/chev/dodges its really rather small, and not really designed to be abused the same way that you would a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck. Now dont get me wrong, i dont think that the tundra will break more often than any other 1/2 ton, but i DO think they WILL break esspesially if you try to use it like you would a 3/4ton or 1 ton. Toyota fans i’ve noticed from all the boasts of how long toyota’s go with little or no repairs might find themselves a little put out with the unusual amount of shop visits to change front end parts, transmissions, seals, shocks and all the other parts that typically wear out faster in the full size truck market. of course seasoned full size truck owners already know that this is an unfortunate fact of life when using these heavy, somewhat comfortable, heavily abused machines. toyota has not only found a new market of people, they’ve found a new market of abuse. Notice i’ve not mentioned anything at all about factory defects, regular consumer abuse is what i’m talking about. as far as factory problems, we all know how plagued the big 3 are. Also note that each of the big 3s full size trucks have many automatic transmission horror stories that stem from factory related problems. Notice that all these trucks are much heavier, and are used to haul heavy trailers, just like the new tundra is. also notice the amount of posts describing transmission problems with the tundra. coinsedance? im not so sure… Welcome to the “big” leauge Toyota. P.s. I already know i dont spell very well, so you dont need to mention it.

Good post Jason! Couldn’t have said it any better myself.

Michael — you’re welcome!

Joe — there are no more reports of camshaft failures. This appears to have been just what Toyota said it was – a limited problem that they have since corrected.

Purchased a 2007 Tundra double cab limited with 5.7 engine. Manufactured in January 2007. Have 2300 miles on it. I was on vacation and after about five hours of driving there was a sudden vibration / surging of the vehicle. Sudden vibration may have come from transmission. I also had a constant lesser vibration just from the ride. Toyota dealer checked it and found that the torque converter needed to be replaced. Nothing said about the ride vibration.

No, I have 18 inch Bridgestone tires which came with the truck.

Interesting GT. Reminds me of the time a few years back when I owned a VW Eurovan.
When it was warm it sometimes wouldn’t start. VW changed out the fuel pump.(900.00 dollars CDN 1997) Turned out to be a small sensor on the Distributor. Cost, 50 bucks! All was warrenty thank the stars.
I hope your situation works out for you well and that we can all learn from it.
Michael
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GT: Sorry, that last post was submitted by me, simply forgot to pot my user info. Keep us up to speed on what steps Toyota takes next.

Interesting Matt, One would think that all the possible cam shaft problem motors would have been looked after by now, since it came to light back last Feb or March. Re the bed bounce…….mine is the short box version and having not had the “Bed Box” bounce one has to wonder if the longer box is the case. One thing though ………if I had gone back to the Domestics I would have gone Ford but Chevs are ok ;-
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i bought a 2007 tundra in feb 2007. at 11,600 miles on it in dec 2007 the cam shaft broke. i am also having transmission slipping problems. the truck is in the shop at toyota having engine replaced. i have talked to toyota about me getting out of this truck because of the problems they are having with them, they told me they would send out some paper work to start arbitration process.

Own a 07 5.7 Tundra, just went over 17K, build date was 4/07. Surfing the net to see if anyone else is hearing a knocking at low idle speed. Most profound after the fan has disengauged and truck is in gear. In the shop for the second time for this noise, first time dealer told me it was lifters…I refuse to belive that. Can anyone who has had a camshaft failure give any discription of indicators prior to the failure?

Thanks

sell me you 20″ rims jason email me at aubrey170@msn.com

i bought my wife a brand new 4 runner limited in 2000. it has 63000 miles on it now and i have only had to replace the battery. i think the windshield wipers are original ones. we live one mile from her work, battery dont have time to fully charge. low maintenance. i drive a 05 duramax 2500hd lt crewcab. this truck is amazing and i love it. it will do what gm says it will do and more. i see toyotas commercials and laugh. i had a 500hp chevy 1/2 ton that i built and it did not like my cargo trailer at all. the duramax laughs at the load and says is that all. toyota needs to stay on the porch when it comes to HARD WORKING TRUCKS. i expect the 4 runner to last 250,000 as i do the duramax. difference is the truck will be driven alot harder than the toyota will ever be. toyota =long lasting&low maintenance.i love the 4 runner but i think i will stick with my duramax for working. im sure the tundra is nice also.

I bought my 07 Tundra a little over a month ago and I could not be more happy. It was a demo with 6K miles, now has over 8K and NO problems. Sure, it rides a little rough but it IS a 3/4 ton with trailering suspension so I expected it to ride that way. Oklahoma roads and highways are awful anyway. I recently took a trip through Texas and noticed a DRAMATIC improvement in the ride as soon as I crossed the state line; thanks for the good roads Texas. I really like the way it drives and handles and I LOVE the power (translated acceleration). I have yet to tow anything but expect it will improve the ride; will try the sandbag thing in the meantime (thanks jmr). I bought Toyota because of its reputation for quality; I do not think I will be disapointed.

Jelling?? That must be one of the more than 300,000 vehicles that Toyota agreed to replace the motors in. They were involved in a lawsuit that coverd Toyotas and Lexus all of which were dropping motors due to oil sludge. Toyota agreed to pay for the replacement of all the vehicles that ranged from 1997-2001ish with “no fault”. So Toyota saw they were gonna loose and jumped at the chance to settle with no blame on there record. Toyota even suggested ALL owners of those vehicles effected did not change their oil properly. Face it folks, Toyota is playing just like all the other manufacturers now. If they can deflect blame they will.

Bed jolt? Yep it is a problem for some. I’ve seen a 2wd truck that had the cab get hit by the bed. Doesn’t seem like only the “offroad” vehicles. Not having a solid frame is pobably the reason. Too many pieces connected together leave too much room for flex. That was just stupid. Toyota is way smarter than that, I thought anyway.

Face it folks all manufacturers skimp here and there. Toyota is no different. Don’t be a fanboy. I washed my hands of Ford a few years ago. Hold these people accountable for crappy substandard vehicles. Toyota put a 4 star tested, pieced together frame, body flexing, “big motor” truck in the ring with problems. If you guys hold them accountable the end result will be a better truck next time hopefully. Don’t just say it’s better than GM,Ford & Dodge because it’s a Toyota.

NASCAR? last I checked NASCARran a cam in block pushrod motor. Not an OHC setup. Sorry, it is not a detuned NASCAR motor. Infact the NASCAR engine is actually a Chevy casting! Atleast know a little about the sport since you guys just jumped on the band wagon.

I’m sure some of you will not be happy about my comments. The only reason I’m posting here is because a coworker of mine is in denial about the possibility his Toyota might have problems. I hate to try to tell somebody there might be a problem. At the same time I don’t mind rubbing there nose in poop if they want to curse me and act juvenile when I tell them common knowledge. I mean if I can find this stuff ANYONE can.

Just did my 20,000 mile oil change. Bought it in July 07. I do alot of traveling in my truck. So far one time visit at 15,000 miles for convience issue being pass mirror wouldn’t auto close. It worked evry 5th to 8th time trying it. 45 Minutes later new mirror no questions asked. Brad come back down to earth. You’re comparing a duramax 2500 against a 1/2 ton Tundra. My posts on this website shows what I had. I had both ford and chevy. My issue was getting them fixed. How many times must you visit a dealership and keep faith? How would you like to take a day off work just to be accused of pulling your headliner down by a factory rep!!! Since were on the headliner how many times does it take to fix a headliner??? 8x wasn’t enough. What good is towing when your ABS vibrates the living hell out of you? That was 2x and I wasn’t going to have the 3rd time done. By the way did I mention going down I-95 both tail lights fall off at different times!! Who’s going to see you stop if they’re dangling in the wind? It doesn’t matter towing, ride, looks. What matters is getting things fixed and how they treat you.

RichyM: Glad to hear you believe your Tundra to be a 3/4 ton based on your payload. So by your logic, basically all 1/2 tons should now be classified as 3/4 tons. The GM twins (Silverado & Sierra 1500) range in payload from 1574-1965lbs, Ram 1500 from 1470-2440lbs payload, F150 payload from 1030-3080lbs and Tundra from 1350-1990lbs. These figures provided by each makes/models respective website.

Truck classifications are determined by GVWR, which some Tundras do fall into the 3/4 ton category, but so do some GM 1500 & F150 models. A true 2500/250 model can handle the abuse much better than a 1500/150 model, simply by design characteristics. Just like a 1500/150 model will ride smoother than a 2500/250.

If you check your owners manuel, I’m sure there will be mention of which category your truck is considered. I don’t disagree that your Tundra can handle some of what a 3/4 ton can do, just not nearly as well as most 2500/250 models. I’m referring to handling/controlling the weight of the load, not the amount of time to get to cruising speed.

has anyone had to get there transmission replaced because of other problems related to the torque converter? Had my torque replaced a couple months ago but the transmission is still not shifting smoothly, when shifting between 35-40 there is a big push that you feel when shifting at low speeds..im going to have it checked out by the dealership to see what they say..but other then that love the truck …just got it some 22 inch rims for it…

Paul: Stay out of the gas pedal. I find many people that complete these mods and open up new unknown power, are harder on the throttle than when stock. Most people don’t realize this, but it’s the most common problem. Recently installed a programmer on my truck. First couple tanks it consumed more fuel, but after I watched my driving habits, I found I was unconiously running higher RPMs and using a little more of the go pedal. It has since gone back up since adjusting my driving habits. Then again the truck could be adjusting the air/fuel ratio due to the intake, dumping more fuel due to the increase in air intake, but I’d say it’s more likely the first scenerio.

Paul – First, sorry for deleting your comment. It was posted in two places so I deleted one of them…but it was the wrong one. Justin’s response is excellent, but I would also ask if you’ve installed these items before the onset of winter? Winter driving is much less fuel efficient – that could be the reason all by itself.

Paying closer attention and also trying differnt grades and brands of gas. NOTE, when aftermarket intake was installed on my z-71 milage fell off and was only recovered when factory system was re-installed. More too follow.

Hey
That is the mileage I have been getting for 2 years and I have 32,000+ on my 2007 double cab. Others must have some type of different engine management package.

I’m sorry to hear you don’t like Toyota Steve…..and I must agree ..they do break down……but GM Ford and Chrysler products break down more often.
Cheers and have a good day

Mickey: Not defending Steve Smith here, cause he obviously posted to get at Tundra owners. But while you complain about the headliners & taillamps of GM trucks and you know I’m not a GM fan, you’ve also got to remember no vehicle on the road is perfect, never have been, no matter how much people may think they are, even some peoples beloved Tundra/Silverado/F150/Ram/Titan. Just like you complain about those two problems from a past GM product, what about all the people that needed a TC replaced, tailgate collapsed, draiveshaft issues, the few camshaft replacements, bed bounce, radio issues, vent movement, unreadable gauges, bed alignment to cab, chrome rust, etc, on the Tundra? I’d consider many of those just as significant, if not more so on some, than the headliner/taillamp issue.

Justin one thing there I didn’t go to a Silverado, F-150, Ram, or Titan site to tell them there product was crap. Justin I reply in kind. I said that before and will do it again. I’m sorry if it bothers you but the saying you don’t like the heat etc. It wasn’t just those issues Justin it was Customer Service which drove me away from those manufacturers. Justin I just listed the two that were known defects from GM customer service reps. I didn’t list the rest of the problems but we can do this all day with any vehicle you like. It boils down toward what I said earlier. This is what website? I did expect that you would consider it to be more significant that these issues were more than a headliner. That’s why I said take care of your backyard before you tell someone about theirs.