Toyota Tundra is More American Than Dodge Ram

Oh man that was funny

Corporate wise, the money goes back to Japan.

Nice to see that there is already 3500 dollars kickback from the factory then another 6000 from the dealership.

In the end it only matters that the US is getting business.. where the profit goes makes no difference. YOu know where the profit goes when it goes back to japan? Right back to the US! With all the expansions in the US by Toyota, me thinks they are the ones investing while ford, dodge and chevrolet are cutting jobs. In the end, who makes the US’ economy better? You tell me!

try to be an Amerincan’s car owner, but hell no its nerver last. 2years on the Dodge Ram 1500 and it die, but i got 1996 toyota 4runner with 294910miles on its and still run like the RAM. sorry to say that i became a Toyotaman not an Americancarownerman…….

I like this comment from Dodgeman the best :

“people like you are going to put American companies (the heritage of our country)out of business ponder on that one for a while traders”

Notice the word “traders”. Guessing he probably meant “traitors”.

Dodgeman please stop giving our American education system (another heritage of our country) a bad name and learn to spell.

Or at least spell-check.

ADMIN, is that all you could come up with smart guy

I guest everyone in this country are clueless, the banks, car magazines, insurance company’s and everyone else that has ever bought a Toyota! I’m not agains the BIG 3, I prefered the Tundra after I test drive!!! It’s all about preference…. I’m sure that Dodge, Chevy and Ford have a lot to offer to truck lover’s out there…..

Toyota is just as American as Chrysler, because its profits are invested in the United States. Toyota has a finance arm in each region in which it operates, and income from each region goes to that region’s financial branch (i.e. Toyota Financial USA). Also, Toyota pays taxes in the United States, which obviously benefits the country. Moreover, Toyota keeps growing within the US market, thus employing more people each year. Lastly, Toyota sources many of its components from American suppliers. I have a friend who works for a company that supplies the cloth material used in the seats that go in their cars.
This “buy American” talk no longer works and even the Big 3 has realized people no longer buy that marketing talk.
I am a Dodge owner and have had many mechanical problems with my Ram. My next truck will be either the Tundra or the Silverado.

Wow yall are stupid, yea toyota’s profit goes back to japan but, toyota employs over 30,000 people in the united states, soo what if its an american heritage to have chevy and ford , who gives a shit without the japanese innovations we wouldnt have most of the technology we have today, grow the hell up you fight like two year olds, Toyota is as much an american heritage as dodge chrysler, chevy or ford, yall dont know what the hell ur tlaking about..

You foriegn car (truck) idiots just don’t get it.
Toyota puts money into the economy by adding more facilities to build more cars so that fools like you who believe they care will buy them. Hence possibly closing U.S. Auto makers, anyone remember when televisions, vcr’s, hell electronics in general were made here? Not any more right, what happened to those displaced workers? I know, I know you don’t care because you can get a dvd player for 20 dollars right? Well if the good paying jobs were still here you might have one and be able to pay the higher price to have it built here, which would create more high paying jobs etc.

Remember when we were the richest country in the world? I can see that is changing. But thats ok you go around with your nonsensical ideas and when that overpaid (Ass Busting) UAW worker loses his job and cant buy your products or services lets see if that will open your eyes.

How many of the NON UAW workers went on strike sometimes for a year at a time, etting 50 dollars a week in pay, so that quality, safety and monetary gains could be made for even the non union american worker. Preach your shit all you want, but when your working for 6 dollars an hour to put gas in your TOY you might think about some of the things I have said.
I understand that some of you have been soured by the cars of old, but that is changing rapidly.

Admin,
I understand how one could be disillusioned by the sticker on the window. The “Domestic” parts may be made here, but are they made by American companies, or Asian subsideraries. And once again if they are using the same suppliers, then how can one product be superior to the other.

On the Dodge subject I totally agree and so do many of my fellow workers. It was a takeover #1 and then when drained the resources from Chrysler, they dumped them. Not thrilled with their quality either.

Anyway I tend to get a little overzealous with this subject. But I see people bash the supposed “lazy” UAW workers at the age of 50 that have carpel tunnel syndrome, bad knees, hips and other parts of their body from repetitive stress disorders, it really pushes my buttons.

More people need to understand that it may not effect them now, but it surely will some day.

Admin,
I agree with some of your statements.
The collapse of the big 3 definately had to do with greed, Corporate greed. The “bean counters” at least at Ford, saw the high profits from their pickups and sport utility vehicles and chose to ignore the lower profit small vehicles. They spent all their time and money in the F-150 truck because it was their bread and butter.
They also spent money investing in non core businesses especially on Nassers watch, and when the company lost a boatload of money and he was ousted, they gave him 23 million in retirement and severance pay. Hmmm would ANY non-executive get rewarded for losing money?
Exactly!

The UAW at Fords has cooperated with Ford more in the past 10 years, then they have in their entire history. Workers arent greedy and expecting anything that they haven’t earned. We negotiated a contract that included 3 and 4 percent raises, and even though we had a contract did not exercise those raises in an effort to HELP the company. Only to have it thrown up in our face when another executive gets an absurd signing bonus or pay raise. I know what your thinking “I didnt hear that on the news” but it is the absolute truth. One hint, dont believe everything you hear on the news.

The problem is, Toyota has no Legacy costs. They have no American retiree’s, no pension plan, and import half of their auto’s. If you want to level the playing field you have to compare apples to apples. And revise the trade rules.

Americans suffered to get the standard of living that people enjoy. They forget that alot of the work rules and benefits they have, were set in place to avoid a unionization of the company that they work for.
I once received a bonus for voting down the Union. I voted yes, but it still passed. They tried to scare us by telling us if the Union was voted in, tey would have to close the doors. Let me tell you that I have worked in both Union and Non Union companies, the work ethics between the two were pretty close but you are treated more like a human being at the Union companies.

I almost got a job with Toyota when I thought I might be losing my job. Guess what? Their pay wasn’t much lower than what I am making now, and they were in a southern state which we all know usually have lower costs of living. And have you read the numerous stories about how some of the US Toyota plants want to unionize? Why? Because Toyota doesn’t care about them. From the stories that I have read, when there is a serious injury, they kind of ignore them and push them to the side.

I am not saying that other companies dont make good vehicles. I am however saying that if you want to keep the standard of living that America is used to, you may want to change your view on buying foreign products.

This came off this very own web page. Where does it say Toyota is from and what is the name of the President? I guess this should show what is more American?
I quote:
“Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe said on Sunday the Japanese automaker will launch a diesel-powered Tundra pickup truck and Sequoia”

Martin - It seems so simple to me. 75% of the truck is made in the U.S. That’s more than the Ram. What am I missing? You can argue that certain plants are owned by foreigners, but where does it stop? Chrysler was a foreign company up until a few months ago…this argument is outdated. The world we live in is far too interconnected to make distinctions about what’s “more american.” The point behind this article is to show that the “buy American” chorus is usually wrong.

dodgeman - You want to blame me and other Toyota enthusiasts for ruining the U.S. economy, but what you really mean to say is that because we’re not buying Dodge products, we’re guilty of ruining an “American” company. Of course, that flies in the face of fact. Dodge, like most American car companies, has only itself to blame for the current situation. They made an inferior product for a long time, and they took advantage of loyal consumers in the process. Take a look at Consumer Reports magazines over the past 20 years, and you’ll see what ruined Dodge. It wasn’t us that was building them. Today, I honestly believe that Dodge quality is similar to Toyota quality. The typical American consumer, however, does not agree. That’s not my fault - not Toyota’s fault either.

OK, my spelling comes from books printed in Japan, what can I say?

If Goerge Bush did not think our economy was bad, then why the rebate check? Oh, by the way did you know we are getting that money from China?
My point is simple, BUY AMERICAN! This topic was what is more American, Dodge or Toyota, and I believe the chart from Martin shows that very clear. Dodge!
As I said, I am not a Dodge guy, but they at least put more money back into our economy than Toyota. If you want to continue trying to convince yourself that this is changing,look at what Honda did recently. They are moving ALL the Motorcycle manufaturing back to Japan. What makes you think this will not or could not happen with Toyota? They already have less American parts and Employ less American Workers the Any other the Big 3.Our Dollar is already weaker then it was 1 years ago, soon we will not be the “Super Power” we thought we were, but China, or India. Who can say they build them up, We did by buying products made there. Who do we blame? Ourselves. Poeple who said they swore off Domestics, they are missing out on some Awesome products lately from the Big 3. Ford, GM and Chrysler’s Quality is way up from the past, and I have never regreted owning any of mine. Even a 1985 Ford Mustang.

What don’t you understand?Did you even look at the web site Martin was refering too? I have walked the lots and looked at the stickers on the windows, on the domestic and the imports and according to their own stickers on the windows, state where they are made and what parts content it is from. For example, the Toyota Rav and Highlander are 100% MADE IN JAPAN. Look at the Camry, I was even suprised myself at the % made in the US. I believe it wasn’t even 50% I seem to recall clser to 40%. I know you will find issues with whatever anyone says that you don’t agree with, but go on Toyotas own Coorperate web site and see for yourself how many Americans Toyota employ here in the US. Less the 24,000 Total! GM, even with the lay offs, STILL employ more Americans that ALL the major Import combined! And you cannot agrue facts!

Cal I can’t agree with you more. If I buy a domestic and it keeps breaking down with loss pay to have that fix why would I stay domestic. Also you people are so worried about the money going to japan why did you buy all those electronics you have at home. You need to state this to the granite/marble in homes etc. The problem lies with a manufacturer that puts out a product that’s reliable and he/she doesn’t have it in the shop all the time. Rebate check Andrew? I bet you didn’t wait to spend that on those GM products. By the way Andrew Toyota doesn’t make a motorcycle. The same bull you are pushing you need to look in the mirror. That’s why the is the land of the free and you can make your own choice. You want people to buy inferior products just because it’s made in America? You need to look what’s happening. Why is Honda and Toyota leading in the small car sales now. Where’s the Big 3? Who’s the one that is brainwashed? You want to know why the economy is bad? Your favorite Americans selling houses to people who can’t afford them along with Leases on vehicles. You mass produce a vehicle for leases and guess what you get? Leftovers of a product no one wants. You eat rice Andrew? Guess what’s imported? You buy gas/oil? Guess where that goes. Blaming this silly game of where the money goes makes all Americans hypocrits. We all buy something that is imported.

The Ram rates higher in Consumer Reports in reliabilty than does the Tundra. The Ram rated “worse than average” in reliability. However, the Tundra rated “much worse than average” for reliability, the worst possible score; ironically, tied with the Nissan Titan for least reliable fullsized pickup. In a bizarre twist, ALL of the American Brand fullsize truck scored higher in reliability than either of their foreign counterparts. While the Hemi has been on Ward’s 10 best Engines for 5 years straight, the Tundra’s 5.7 liter engine has been dealing with serious issues such as breaking camshafts, and the Toyota’s transmission has “rumble strip” syndrome. Don’t forget the Tundra’s “bed bounce” problem or that its stereo that shuts itself off and on at will! And what about the Jell-O Tripleflex frame? What did that enginering genius net Toyota? How about a 4-star crash-test rating; the worst of ANY fullsize truck out there!! And the Ram, with its years’-old styling and no side and roof airbags? It received a 5-star rating, the highest rating possible!! The truth is the Dodge Ram is really the better truck!! And we’re not even talking about the 2009 version!! Oh, and one more thing, just for you Tundra lovers out there; the Tundra tailgate is flimsy, and literally buckles under weight! That sissy hydraulic assist tailgate must be lightweight, and is not designed as a load-bearing part, so forget loading a golf cart, atv, or motorcycle into the Tundra’s bed (using its tailgate)!! The Ram’s tailgate is heavy, and requires a man’s strength to open and lower. The thing is, you can actually use the Ram’s tailgate as a tailgate!

Tony lay off the B/S. Back in 76-77 I had an 74 Corona SR5 with ESP (Extra Sensory Panel) No domestic 3 had this in theirs. This vehicle had yellow lights fo fluid and red lights for motor, brake and tail lights and brakes themselves. When the brakes wore down this would light up well before you ran out of pads to replace them in time before damage. This vehicle can tell me when my battery water level was too low. How about your radiator and over flow bottle along with your winshield wiper fluid. That had yellow lights when they were low. Non e of your domestic had this in 74 especialy any ov the low price vehicles. That was technology you said they stole from us? Let me flip you a quarter so you can get into the ball park at least. And you can take your Social Security crap to ones who will believe you. Put it simple for you Tony if you build a great product they will come. If you keep it on the road they will stay. Until that happens you will be whining about american made or americans laid off. Look at half the products you probably have in your home. Most of them or made in other countries or even outsourced to other countries. I know you have computers, cell phones, TV’s, electronics etc look to see where they are made then tell me your story again.

Jr read the August 2008 section where Chrysler and value of your product. I think someone pulled the drain plug on your company and you got that circular sinking feeling.

Apparently Mr. Jr you read what makes you think you got something. You can RAM that buy america B/S up you know where. Everyone of you who don’t like a Toyota that’s your first response. If your god forbid Big 3 built a good product that was reliable and backed it then we can go from there. Also you forgot the one thing in America the right to choose. You’re not going to take my right away because you want to whine about built in America. I say again Before you open your mouth look at all your products at home and see how much is american made. Also your own fellow americans did this to themselves by being overpaid for their work in Unions. SO don’t give us this line crap about Mexico and Canada and Toyota moving back. The last truck I had 06 Silverado I needed to go buy Craftsman metric tools to work on your so call american product. Half SAE half metric. What dumb engineer come up with that? Being it was a troubled truck and having to buy metric tools who paved the way to go all metric? You may want to pay $20-30,000 for a product that lasts maybe 4-6 years and deal with all problems this guy doesn’t want to do that again. Jr do you want me to mention your recalls? Why didn’t Consumer Reports go after your YOKE breaks recall which can cause a major crash on your recall dated 10/22/07? How can you have a recall on your back and side glass on your trucks? That there my friend is a quality issue. C/R failed to report on your driveshaft issues. Why is that? Why doesn’t your RAM have any safety side air bags? You want to claim your truck is safer? Who are you kidding with that junk? Anyone who read Consumer Reports that wasn’t biased on any trucks can see who C/R was gunning for. But yet when you add up the back pages which you don’t of course shows your Ram rated lower than the Tundra. As I said before C/R contradicted themselves with that issue magazine. Tell me something else JR how can you rank a truck the best and you don’t test it much less mention there recalls also? As of the paint issue and you seen that petition well you may call it that please tell me all the info. Especially why over half the people who signed it did not file a complaint and they cause the damages themselves and you know no manufacturer will fix a problem that was caused by the consumer. I’ll give you some examples because I read them. Cat claws scratches paint on a lifted truck. Going into the woods where limbs hit side of truck paint damage. Rubbing a metal garbage bin against the truck scratches occur. Hitting the side of the truck with a metal basket now have scratches. Man puts plastic bedliner in truck and then removes it himself causes scratches. Man puts cardboard box in bed removes and forgot to look on bottom the staples sticking out scratches bed. These are an example of the owners doing it to themselves. I don’t expect any manufacturer to fix these people’s problems. They want something for nothing. Yes I have a rock chip on my hood. I did have one on my 06 Silverado I don’t blame Toyota or GM. I used the touch up paint and have no problems with it. Very few I mean very few had the bubbles and peeling paint. That list didn’t even have 200 people on it. The tailgate I have never been replaced and I stand on it regularly and with my riding mower to clean and change blades. I don’t have that issue. Actually I applaud Toyota for the damper system on the tailgate. We know GM is notorious for the cable breaking on the tailgate and it’s too late when it hits the bumper. It’s a good arguement like you said and tried to put up but it doesn’t fly. Individual recommendations should come from all aspects about the vehicle which is what the back has and you refuse to see.

Well,

I looked at the following website: http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/fact_kit.html
and, to my amazement, Chrysler is literally the”Most American” of ALL automakers!! The Dodge Ram provides 83 JPC (Jobs Per Car), higher than Toyota by far (34 JPC), and even higher than Ford or Chevrolet! I liked their slogan, “What you drive, drives America.” I always knew in my heart Dodge is really the most American of all pickups, and The Level Field Institute proves I’m right! After all, Chrysler’s Jim Press, ditched Toyota after 30+ years! He may have made his wealth with Toyota, but his heart is with Chrysler!

In another news flash, Toyota WILL NOT resume production of the Tundra at the Princeton, Ind plant come November. Rather, Tundra production will resume at the new plant in San Antonio, TX. Also, Dodge begins delivering the all-new 2009 Rams this week to dealers! 390 hp and 407 lb-ft torque vaults the Hemi back to the top of the class (Not counting the low-production 403 hp GMC Sierra). Take that, you TRD’S!

Well your wrong again Jason,
Here are the scores which do compare by vehicle. The link is on the right just in case all you Toy lovers dont believe us STILL.

Dodge-Dodge Ram 83 JPC
Ford-F Series 81 JPC
Chevrolet-Chevy Silverado 72 JPC
Toyota-Tundra 32 JPC

As you can see, CLEARLY Toyota does not employ even HALF as many AMERICAN workers as you would all like to think they do.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

By the way Tony America has awaken and you Big 3 lovers are on a verge of extinctiion. America has evolved. That’s why there is choice.

Tony - If you read my comment carefully, you’ll see that I was trying to point out is that the Level Field Institutes JPC rating is for the entire company - it’s not on a vehicle by vehicle basis. The site says “The JPC Rating is calculated by dividing the total number of cars sold by an automaker in the U.S. by the company’s U.S. workforce.”

In other words, the JPC rating of a Toyota Tundra (built in the U.S.) is going to be higher than 32, but the JPC rating on a Scion xB (built in Japan) is going to be zero. As I said before, if you compared a Tundra to a Ram, I would guess the numbers would be a lot closer to even. Still, I’m sure that Dodge employs more American workers…for now. Let’s hope that they stay in business, otherwise their JPC rating will be zero.

As for your assertion that corporate greed ruined the auto industry, I pity you. While greedy execs are to blame, so are corrupt union leaders and lazy workers. There’s more than enough blame to go around, but the bottom line is this. The “more American” argument is stupid and meaningless - that’s the point of this post. Hence the “just kidding” at the end.

Tony no if’s and’s or butts you’re the one who whining and complaining. You are going to sit there and tell us you have no foreign products in your home? As far as tools I had to buy Craftsman metric for your american products. I bought Craftsman because I had a choice which you feel I shouldn’t have. If your big 3 would make something reliable then you would see a change. So go cry on someone else’s shoulder. Poison kids toys? How far are you going to reach? So you hold it against someone if they want a luxury vehicle? You have a problen Tony. That’s called choice again and who’s rambling along with their whining? Before you go talking working on a line I have news for you guy I did that back in 77-82 working for United Steelworkers Union local 13,000 working at Kaiser Aluminum. The plant shutdown in 82 because the union was asked to take a pay cut. The union said no so the plant was built in Africa and where did the jobs go. Tony you not the only one who works at a demanding job in america. Oh by the way who is corporate america? Isn’t this american workers also? I see now you are the union worker who loses out when we don’t buy an American big 3 automobile. Well you put yourself in that position no one else did. I say again build a better product then we will come until then take the pain of losing and cry somewhere else.

Tony, Well said, although trying to tell Mickey anything is a waste of your time! I agree with you on the Domestic’s are at the very least equal if not better, than the Imports. I buy American “Whenever I can” although, thanks to people like Mickey, it is getting harder and harder to find. Mickey thinks it is great that we buy Foriegn owned products, I don’t! I have not had ANY of the issues or even heard any other the issues he claims he has experienced. He had troubles with Both GM and Ford, but for some reason he hasn’t with his TuRD. He must have been fired from GM or something, since he seems to have it out for them and anyone who has been happy with their decision to buy American.

Just returning what has been given out. Sorry, I will be good.

Andrew and Tony since we’re on this subject why don’t we just close the borders on all visa’s and any aliens. Who will you get to pick the vegetables in the fields or build our US homes etc. Do the jobs that us great Americans refuse to do because we are above that. This is what you two are preaching. You want to blame CEO’s that’s fine with me. Now I guess we should send all CEO’s a ticket to leave the country so they won’t take all the profits. This sounds familiar….OOhhh Yes the oil companies. Excuse me you two that’s free enterprise. Andrew I will be more than happy to send you the pics of that great american product you don’t believe can happen. Now is this the way your new truck should be after only 2 weeks?
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Tony - I think we’re on the same page. The corporate idiots that led GM, Ford, and Chyrsler in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, and even today are largely to blame for the current state of the American auto industry. The UAW has a role too, but the size of that role is up for debate. Historically, unions have been a really good thing. Unions helped create child labor laws, OSHA (as you say), the 40 hour work week, the concepts of disability care, retirement, etc. However, like anything, unions have also overstepped their bounds on occasion. Demanding raises in the 90’s despite shrinking market share (and threatening to strike when they didn’t come) was irresponsible. The argument that it was OK because “the CEOs are doing it” doesn’t fly with me - when your kid tells you that they did something wrong because everyone else was doing it too, you don’t give them a break. THAT’s why I think the union was part of the problem (among other things). Anyways, we still come back to this one point - the Ram has fewer domestic parts than the Tundra. All things being equal, buying a Ram probably is better for the U.S. economy than buying a Tundra, but the difference isn’t near as profound as the “buy America” crowd would like us all to believe. I’m certainly not convinced. Maybe if Toyota and Chrysler both released exact figures on how many workers build each vehicle, how the revenue is spent, where it is spent, etc., we’d know for sure. Until then, we’re just guessing. But the domestic content sticker certainly lends a little credibility to our argument.

Jason & Mickey,
I must be in a good mood today because I have to AGREE with what you both said. Mickey I dont blame you for being bitter about the Union, I think anyone in your former situation would be. But trust me when I say, that todays UAW is nothing like the UAW of the past. Take a look at how much the Union membership does for the community. They have volunteers building houses, they sent teams of people after Katrina to help, regular Blood Drives, UAW/FORD have collected $400,000 for Juvenile Diabetes so far this year, and much more. They continue to do this even though their industry is falling apart, and know that some of the people they are helping have the same negative thoughts about the Union as some on this board do. I know you all read the headlines, so you have heard about the landmark negotiations that just took place last year. I think that in itselfs says a ton about the new UAW.
So in closing YES the old UAW was bad, but the new UAW is definately going in the right direction.

Tony I will agree with you and also I have no clue in todays union. It’s great to see no matter who help build communities/houses. I took part in Habitat for Humanity in Rhode Island when I was in the Navy and it took us 8-9 months from start to finish working Wednesday’s and Saturdays from dawn to dusk. The satisfaction was I was there when the ribbon cutting was done and how many hours I put in was mention along with the tow contractors doing the project. All I wanted to learn was how to built the roof on the frame. Never done it before and that’s why I did it. Yes it’s admirable in hard times for people to help out in time of needs. Yes my family got hit hard from Katrina. I’m from New Orleans and I was raised 10 miles to the east. A place which wasn’t highlighted at all but was flooded for weeks up to the roofs of houses. Yes I loss one aunt who refuse to leave. They had at least 17 levee breaks over there and all they showed was New Orleans and the 9th ward. Well you go at least 2 miles further east and you can see water to roofs. My mom’s house was picked up off it’s foundation and moved 6 inches. My brother’s house was gutted and he rebuilt but he has no neighbors just slabs. My sister loss her vacation house by the lake. When I said loss all 18 homes in that place was totally missing. Nothing but slabs.There’s too much to list what happened there that people don’t know about and was never reported. The parish (county) where I grew up at finally got their first grocery store to open this summer. It’s still a ghost town. Well enough of that. That’s why I will never go back and live in New Orleans. I’ll visit but will never stay there again.

Oh yeah, and your also right that it doesn’t matter who helps, as long as people do help.

I am so tired of this bull shit
The Money goes to Japan for Toyota
The money goes to the USA for the big 3
Is Sushi Japanese or American if it is made in America?
You got it, it is still Japanese if Sushi is made in America
So the Big 3 is still USA no matter where it is made
End of you BS

American corporations want me to be a consumer and spend my money before I even earn it. If I finance an American-built Japanese vehicle at an American bank, American workers and bankers are profiting; there is no doubt about it. This is a global economy. Buy the best product.

Well put….Short and to the point….

Let’s see why banks are doing poorly….Bad investments, Foreclosures, Repo’s. Like you said open your eyes. Now if you make only $26,000 a year what makes you think you can afford a $300,000 home? Bankers made the decision along with the home owner putting them down a path to failure. Bankers knowingly that the homeowner can’t afford it stretched it out to where they can afford it for 5 years then the intrest kicks in. Now these are both Americans…. Imagine that Americans ripping off Americans…. As I told my friend today after my debacle with Ford and then GM, I would rather my hard earned money go to a Jap company if it gives me peace of mind and not having to be at the dealership at least 3x a month. I have 38,000 miles and I bought it in July 07. My truck runs great and gets better mpg then what your American commercial for Chevy does. Imagine that a big block engine getting 23mpg. While chevy stating their small block gets 21mpg. What you forget is Free Enterprise and the Freedom of CHOICE. Just because you state save our economy Well I’m happy to say I helped put food on the table which was bought by the Toyota factory worker, along with the American workers at my Credit Union for doing my loan. Not to mention the workers at the dealership which I guess must have a green card because when I joke and say raid I don’t get my oil change done. Not to mention all those personnel that use healthcare that comes from their pay which comes from the money at the Credit Union which comes from me to buy that product. Now my US job helps pay for my truck… I know this one will hurt you but I must say it. Tony I do appreciate you in buying my truck for me. Ohh yes I retired military so thanks for paying your taxes which in turns you paying for my truck… I can’t thank you so much. Now who’s paying for what and where? Now you see how dang silly this can get with that B/S.

Tony you definitely show how much a fool you really are. Tony I didn’t work in Intelligence which I can say you have none. Just because you don’t drive 55 doesn’t mean you can’t get 23 mpg. It’s called flat land to get the most out of a vehicle. While you’re at it you can tell my wife she doesn’t get 60-62 mpg in her Prius too. I really don’t give a hoot if you believe it or not. Tony I’m happy you enjoy your freedom’s to talk down to military people. Now I fully understand why you don’t believe anything but your Bullsh*t you hand out. It’s funny you come to a site you despise so much, to say what you want, because you know that’s your Freedom. By the way which is provided by these poor schlubs and oxymoron military intelligence people. What gets me the most is that I took what you wrote for the reasons why we should buy american and I showed you how american we all are and for some reason you don’t like it. What I do like is on the 1st of every month I thank you Tony for paying me to stay home and support the american economy. You keep paying those taxes so I can keep supporting the American people who build Toyota’s. The bankers who give us the loans. Now Tony who is the real schlub now? Call me what you want but I will still get your money to pay the banker who pays Toyota who pays the american worker at the factory. Now that you feel like the donkey’s rear don’t go away mad….You know the rest of the story……