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		<title>By: Whats up with GM - VFRworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whats up with GM - VFRworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] them in the future. The Tundra is the first vehicle that Toyota is giving huge discounts on.  5) Tundra Design Flaw: NEVER Drive Your Tundra Tailgate Down! &#124; tundraheadquarters.com Toyota Tundra Tailgate Internal Memo &#124; tundraheadquarters.com These are from a Toyota Blog so I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] them in the future. The Tundra is the first vehicle that Toyota is giving huge discounts on.  5) Tundra Design Flaw: NEVER Drive Your Tundra Tailgate Down! | tundraheadquarters.com Toyota Tundra Tailgate Internal Memo | tundraheadquarters.com These are from a Toyota Blog so I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin you enjoy that Tundra. Glad you got a great deal. Wish I did, but back in July 07 I got what I could get at the time. 07 Crewmax Limited in Nautical Blue. You look in the featured vehicles you'll see mine. I have 35,000 miles and doing fine. I can get anywhere from 17-24mpg depending on how fast I go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin you enjoy that Tundra. Glad you got a great deal. Wish I did, but back in July 07 I got what I could get at the time. 07 Crewmax Limited in Nautical Blue. You look in the featured vehicles you&#8217;ll see mine. I have 35,000 miles and doing fine. I can get anywhere from 17-24mpg depending on how fast I go.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a 07 tundra dc 4x4 w/ the 5.7 liter v8, in dash nav. system, jbl sound package, and backup camera, trading in my 06 chevy colorado crew cab Z71. 

I liked the colorado just fine at first, but started having lifter knock after only 3000 miles (it had 114 when I drove it off the lot). Not long after this, a new issue reared it's ugly head. When attemping to start my truck(@ a cold start or after driving home 45 min. from work), it would crank more rapidly than normal and fail to turn over. I tried checking every fuse and relay under the hood with no avail. Then, after about 30 minutes, you could blow on the key and it would crank right up. AARRGGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went over every fuse, relay, module, starter solenoid, you name it, they tested a o.k.

I tried to bring it back to the chevy dealership to be checked out, but of course it never acts up when you're there. Everything checked out clear and no codes popped up. They tried to sell me on a computer module (not covered under warranty anymore). 

I decided to look @ upgrading to a silverado, but quickly changed my mind after finding I'd be 4k in the hole because they would only give me 13k for my trade. Granted the colorado did have 40k miles on it, but I took it for all it's maintenance @ the dealership as sheduled. I took such good care of it and this is how it works out? It was all I needed to decide my next move.

A month or so later I stopped by the toyota dealership w/ the wife and checked out the tundras. I was impressed with toyota after I bought her an fj cruiser late last year and figured what the hell, why not check 'em out. They treated us way better than any other dealership I've ever been to. After test driving the tundra, I had to bite my lip to keep from grinning. 

After getting down to brass tacks with the salesman, they made me an offer to pay off the colorado, and give us the 10k off rebate with another toyota loyalty  rebate. The price was great! After haggling the monthly payments down below what I was paying for the chevy, I sealed the deal and haven't regretted the decision. Granted the gas mileage is drastically lower going from a 3.5L inline 5 cylinder to a 381hp 5.7L V8, but it's a small price to pay for being satisfied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a 07 tundra dc 4&#215;4 w/ the 5.7 liter v8, in dash nav. system, jbl sound package, and backup camera, trading in my 06 chevy colorado crew cab Z71. </p>
<p>I liked the colorado just fine at first, but started having lifter knock after only 3000 miles (it had 114 when I drove it off the lot). Not long after this, a new issue reared it&#8217;s ugly head. When attemping to start my truck(@ a cold start or after driving home 45 min. from work), it would crank more rapidly than normal and fail to turn over. I tried checking every fuse and relay under the hood with no avail. Then, after about 30 minutes, you could blow on the key and it would crank right up. AARRGGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went over every fuse, relay, module, starter solenoid, you name it, they tested a o.k.</p>
<p>I tried to bring it back to the chevy dealership to be checked out, but of course it never acts up when you&#8217;re there. Everything checked out clear and no codes popped up. They tried to sell me on a computer module (not covered under warranty anymore). </p>
<p>I decided to look @ upgrading to a silverado, but quickly changed my mind after finding I&#8217;d be 4k in the hole because they would only give me 13k for my trade. Granted the colorado did have 40k miles on it, but I took it for all it&#8217;s maintenance @ the dealership as sheduled. I took such good care of it and this is how it works out? It was all I needed to decide my next move.</p>
<p>A month or so later I stopped by the toyota dealership w/ the wife and checked out the tundras. I was impressed with toyota after I bought her an fj cruiser late last year and figured what the hell, why not check &#8216;em out. They treated us way better than any other dealership I&#8217;ve ever been to. After test driving the tundra, I had to bite my lip to keep from grinning. </p>
<p>After getting down to brass tacks with the salesman, they made me an offer to pay off the colorado, and give us the 10k off rebate with another toyota loyalty  rebate. The price was great! After haggling the monthly payments down below what I was paying for the chevy, I sealed the deal and haven&#8217;t regretted the decision. Granted the gas mileage is drastically lower going from a 3.5L inline 5 cylinder to a 381hp 5.7L V8, but it&#8217;s a small price to pay for being satisfied.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh a bed extender locks into place on the tailgate. Hence tailgate doesn't move. You are good to go with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh a bed extender locks into place on the tailgate. Hence tailgate doesn&#8217;t move. You are good to go with that.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh - the tailgate can be down as long as it is locked in place - either by weight or by a bed extender.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Page 35 of the operators manual says, “Notice: Avoid driving with the tailgate open”

So what is the point of buying a bed extender from Toyota for the Tundra if they tell you not to drive with the tailgate open? Hmmmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Page 35 of the operators manual says, “Notice: Avoid driving with the tailgate open”</p>
<p>So what is the point of buying a bed extender from Toyota for the Tundra if they tell you not to drive with the tailgate open? Hmmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use my tailgate when I need some wood or to change or clean my riding lawnmower utilizing ramps. I stand on mine and I weigh 260lbs. I've been fortunate. I did watch mythbusters do their thing with the tailgate. I agree with them. Also cops don't particular care for truck owners driving down the road with the tailgate down with nothing in the bed because they can't read your plate.  SInce I didn't have the problem doesn't make me less aware of it. Toyota needs to pick up the ball and give a fix for the tailgate. I have 19,000 miles on my 07 Crewmax Limited. Had it in the shop once to fix a convience (pass mirror wouldn't auto close). This was at 15,000 miles. I bought the truck in July 07. This is my first Toyota since 1976 when I had a 1974 Corona SR5. My wife bought a 07 Prius hybrid at the same time and she has 10,000 on hers with no problems. I so far have great faith because of no problems but hearing the stories Toyota you need to step it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use my tailgate when I need some wood or to change or clean my riding lawnmower utilizing ramps. I stand on mine and I weigh 260lbs. I&#8217;ve been fortunate. I did watch mythbusters do their thing with the tailgate. I agree with them. Also cops don&#8217;t particular care for truck owners driving down the road with the tailgate down with nothing in the bed because they can&#8217;t read your plate.  SInce I didn&#8217;t have the problem doesn&#8217;t make me less aware of it. Toyota needs to pick up the ball and give a fix for the tailgate. I have 19,000 miles on my 07 Crewmax Limited. Had it in the shop once to fix a convience (pass mirror wouldn&#8217;t auto close). This was at 15,000 miles. I bought the truck in July 07. This is my first Toyota since 1976 when I had a 1974 Corona SR5. My wife bought a 07 Prius hybrid at the same time and she has 10,000 on hers with no problems. I so far have great faith because of no problems but hearing the stories Toyota you need to step it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey onlyGM,
What is your story?  Are you trying to compensate for your tiny d*ck or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey onlyGM,<br />
What is your story?  Are you trying to compensate for your tiny d*ck or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OnlyGM: I'm done with you. You bring nothing consturctive to the site. Only your biased uneducated opinion. Which it's okay to have an opinion, but when facts trump your opinion, then basically it means you have no idea what you're talking about.

I've already told you I don't own a Tundra, don't care to own one, but give it credit where credit is due. It has upped the bar in certain aspects of a 1/2 ton truck, just like Ford, GM and Dodge have in their own respective ways. This only leads to the other manufacturers producing better trucks in the long run. It's only common sense. No one said the Tundra is better in all areas, and no GM is not better in all areas either. Each truck has it's goods and bads.

Now Tacoma vs Colorado/Canyon, go to the Toyota site and use their compare function. The Tacoma is actually cheaper than the GM versions when comparable equipped, Tacoma has a higher tow rating, offers L/S diff while GM does not, and so on.

You'll find the Colorado/Canyon has it's strong points too. Just the Tacoma has more strong points and appeals to more people than the GM siblings.

I'm not blinded by the facts. I use the facts to make the best and most educated decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OnlyGM: I&#8217;m done with you. You bring nothing consturctive to the site. Only your biased uneducated opinion. Which it&#8217;s okay to have an opinion, but when facts trump your opinion, then basically it means you have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already told you I don&#8217;t own a Tundra, don&#8217;t care to own one, but give it credit where credit is due. It has upped the bar in certain aspects of a 1/2 ton truck, just like Ford, GM and Dodge have in their own respective ways. This only leads to the other manufacturers producing better trucks in the long run. It&#8217;s only common sense. No one said the Tundra is better in all areas, and no GM is not better in all areas either. Each truck has it&#8217;s goods and bads.</p>
<p>Now Tacoma vs Colorado/Canyon, go to the Toyota site and use their compare function. The Tacoma is actually cheaper than the GM versions when comparable equipped, Tacoma has a higher tow rating, offers L/S diff while GM does not, and so on.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find the Colorado/Canyon has it&#8217;s strong points too. Just the Tacoma has more strong points and appeals to more people than the GM siblings.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not blinded by the facts. I use the facts to make the best and most educated decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OnlyGMmattershere: Well thanks for such an insightful post. Never seen such factual and non-bias information posted before.

FYI: I'm not a Tundra fan, actually own a domestic '06 1/2 ton. I'll give the GM twins their credit, which they deserve. But be realistic and give Toyota it's fair share.

So if GM makes quality trucks, why does the Tacoma outsell and last longer than the Colorado/Canyon and their predecessor S10/S15 prior?

The Tundra has it's flaws, but you're telling me the Silverado/Sierra has none?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OnlyGMmattershere: Well thanks for such an insightful post. Never seen such factual and non-bias information posted before.</p>
<p>FYI: I&#8217;m not a Tundra fan, actually own a domestic &#8216;06 1/2 ton. I&#8217;ll give the GM twins their credit, which they deserve. But be realistic and give Toyota it&#8217;s fair share.</p>
<p>So if GM makes quality trucks, why does the Tacoma outsell and last longer than the Colorado/Canyon and their predecessor S10/S15 prior?</p>
<p>The Tundra has it&#8217;s flaws, but you&#8217;re telling me the Silverado/Sierra has none?</p>
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