Comments on: Consumer Reports Says New Tundra Is Below Average http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/ Toyota Tundra News, Reviews, Accessories, and Information Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:11:08 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: admin (Jason) http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-7704 admin (Jason) Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:01:52 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-7704 Jim - Check out this link for more info: http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2009/04/27/toyota-tundra-frame-rust/ Jim – Check out this link for more info:
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]]> By: Jim Osekowsky http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-7702 Jim Osekowsky Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:33:41 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-7702 I have a 2000 Tundra and really like it. While underneath it a while back I noticed large pieces of the rear frame flaking, rusting, off. I'm 62 years old and have never seen that before. I sprayed the areas with rust preventative. Should I be worried? I have a 2000 Tundra and really like it. While underneath it a while back I noticed large pieces of the rear frame flaking, rusting, off. I’m 62 years old and have never seen that before. I sprayed the areas with rust preventative. Should I be worried?

]]> By: ApexAlex http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1698 ApexAlex Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:57:08 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1698 ken, you can get a survey form if you suscribe to CR. either online, or a regular subscription. just before detroit pulled their turnaround in quality, seems there was a UAW (?) proposal for ALL members to suscribe, so they could submit favorable survey responses on the otherwise crappy cars they were cranking out! LOL! and/or, slam toyota products. hmm... is it possible that's what's happened? nah! then again.......??? ken, you can get a survey form if you suscribe to CR. either online, or a regular subscription.

just before detroit pulled their turnaround in quality, seems there was a UAW (?) proposal for ALL members to suscribe, so they could submit favorable survey responses on the otherwise crappy cars they were cranking out! LOL!

and/or, slam toyota products. hmm… is it possible that’s what’s happened? nah! then again…….???

]]> By: Ken Stanz http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1693 Ken Stanz Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:54:31 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1693 I purchased a 2006 Toyota Tundra for the wife on July 9th of 2005. She absolutely loves it BTW. She wanted it to do some running around town, it has a nice backseat, and it will hold a ton of groceries, so whatever. I slapped on an exhaust sytem, flowmaster 40, and it sounds great too. I, until July of 2007 have always driven a Ford. I have owned an 84 Bronco, a 91 F-150, a 95 F-150, a 2000 F-150, and a 2004 F-250 superduty(diesel), all have been 4wd, and with the upgraded motor...302's in the early years, and the 2000 with the 5.4 triton. I took the wife's Tundra in for it's regular service (can't beat 19.95 for oil/filter change, and tire rotation) and was convinced to test drive the new Tundra. I use my vehicles for pulling my boat, horse trailers, and 4wheelers for various weekend events. I liked my initial test drive of the Tundra, and the salesman convinced me to take it for the weekend to see if it could handle what I usually need a truck to do. I pulled my 26' Donzi from my house to the boat-ramp @ 85mph....never a problem, pulled great, stopped on a dime, and even went up the Skyway bridge here in FL with no problem pulling my boat(BTW the Skyway is a huge bridge) I got a good deal on my F-250, and traded it in since this truck was more than capable of doing what I needed it to do. I have 10,000 miles on it now since July, and have not had one complaint. My wives 2006 Tundra has 44,000 miles on it, yet again with no complaints. I loved all my Ford's, but had nothing but problem's with all of them(the last one being a 4-wd problem in the F-250 with the locking hubs that BTW Ford did not want to warranty @ 9,000 miles) I feel I have made a great choice, and with the price of Diesel today @ 3.19/gallon, and the Tundra 5.7l 4wd XSP(just bells and whistles....20 inch wheels, carbon fibre interior, running boards, and nicer leather than the Limited) still getting the same fuel mileage as the Diesel....I love it, actually feel like I am saving at the pump...hahaha So needless to say, I am quite impressed with Toyota's quality! If it is slipping, I'd like to find me an older Tacoma, and make a mud-hole play toy out of it, gotta beat the 84 High Sierra with 20 inches of lift on 40 boggers that stays broken....lol So, Justin.....here's one more positive and happy owner you can bash. How come I never get one of these surveys from the dealer so I can rant and rave about the quality of my truck....CR.....(hint-hint) I purchased a 2006 Toyota Tundra for the wife on July 9th of 2005. She absolutely loves it BTW. She wanted it to do some running around town, it has a nice backseat, and it will hold a ton of groceries, so whatever. I slapped on an exhaust sytem, flowmaster 40, and it sounds great too. I, until July of 2007 have always driven a Ford. I have owned an 84 Bronco, a 91 F-150, a 95 F-150, a 2000 F-150, and a 2004 F-250 superduty(diesel), all have been 4wd, and with the upgraded motor…302’s in the early years, and the 2000 with the 5.4 triton. I took the wife’s Tundra in for it’s regular service (can’t beat 19.95 for oil/filter change, and tire rotation) and was convinced to test drive the new Tundra. I use my vehicles for pulling my boat, horse trailers, and 4wheelers for various weekend events. I liked my initial test drive of the Tundra, and the salesman convinced me to take it for the weekend to see if it could handle what I usually need a truck to do. I pulled my 26′ Donzi from my house to the boat-ramp @ 85mph….never a problem, pulled great, stopped on a dime, and even went up the Skyway bridge here in FL with no problem pulling my boat(BTW the Skyway is a huge bridge) I got a good deal on my F-250, and traded it in since this truck was more than capable of doing what I needed it to do. I have 10,000 miles on it now since July, and have not had one complaint. My wives 2006 Tundra has 44,000 miles on it, yet again with no complaints. I loved all my Ford’s, but had nothing but problem’s with all of them(the last one being a 4-wd problem in the F-250 with the locking hubs that BTW Ford did not want to warranty @ 9,000 miles) I feel I have made a great choice, and with the price of Diesel today @ 3.19/gallon, and the Tundra 5.7l 4wd XSP(just bells and whistles….20 inch wheels, carbon fibre interior, running boards, and nicer leather than the Limited) still getting the same fuel mileage as the Diesel….I love it, actually feel like I am saving at the pump…hahaha So needless to say, I am quite impressed with Toyota’s quality! If it is slipping, I’d like to find me an older Tacoma, and make a mud-hole play toy out of it, gotta beat the 84 High Sierra with 20 inches of lift on 40 boggers that stays broken….lol So, Justin…..here’s one more positive and happy owner you can bash. How come I never get one of these surveys from the dealer so I can rant and rave about the quality of my truck….CR…..(hint-hint)

]]> By: ApexAlex http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1688 ApexAlex Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:11:27 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1688 correction: "to get the top (red dot) rating, there had to be fewer than 2% complaints, vs 15% complaints, vs. >4%." should have read: to get the top (full red dot) rating, there had to be fewer than 2% complaints, vs, fewer than 1% today. the worst rating (full black dot) meant >15% complaints, vs. >4% today. interestingly, with the new CR standards, the overall difference between toyota (and honda) reliability and everyone else's, SHOWS UP MORE DRAMATICALLY. (in the CR 4/07 annual auto issue) it will be interesting to see exactly how "far" toyota has fallen in the 08 ratings. i correction:

“to get the top (red dot) rating, there had to be fewer than 2% complaints, vs 15% complaints, vs. >4%.”

should have read:

to get the top (full red dot) rating, there had to be fewer than 2% complaints, vs, fewer than 1% today. the worst rating (full black dot) meant >15% complaints, vs. >4% today.

interestingly, with the new CR standards, the overall difference between toyota (and honda) reliability and everyone else’s, SHOWS UP MORE DRAMATICALLY. (in the CR 4/07 annual auto issue)

it will be interesting to see exactly how “far” toyota has fallen in the 08 ratings.

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]]> By: ApexAlex http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1687 ApexAlex Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:00:21 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1687 putting things in perspective: in CR's rating system, "average" means between 2 and 3 PER CENT of respondents reported a problem. "below average", 3-4%. and "much worse than average," more than 4% -- with NO MAXIMUM. this is from the key to their Reliability Ratings charts, which rates 16 potential trouble spots. with all vehicles improving over the years, this is an upgrade of their previous rating standards, where to get the top (red dot) rating, there had to be fewer than 2% complaints, vs 15% complaints, vs. >4%. comparing red dots and black dots on these charts, toyota ACROSS THEIR WHOLE PRODUCT LINE still outperforms every other manufacturer. putting things in perspective:

in CR’s rating system, “average” means between 2 and 3 PER CENT of respondents reported a problem. “below average”, 3-4%. and “much worse than average,” more than 4% — with NO MAXIMUM.

this is from the key to their Reliability Ratings charts, which rates 16 potential trouble spots.

with all vehicles improving over the years, this is an upgrade of their previous rating standards, where to get the top (red dot) rating, there had to be fewer than 2% complaints, vs 15% complaints, vs. >4%.

comparing red dots and black dots on these charts, toyota ACROSS THEIR WHOLE PRODUCT LINE still outperforms every other manufacturer.

]]> By: Justin http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1672 Justin Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:55:23 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1672 Daniel: You and your friends do no towing, no off-roading & you purchased a truck? I'm curious now, why even own a truck? I find many that purchase a truck for soley street driving, no matter what make it is, are using it as a status symbol or just to have the latest and greatest. I know it's a free country and you have the right to purchase what you like, but there are way too many people buying trucks these days that use them as cars. This is the market Honda built the Ridgeline for. Now the Ridgeline, is a modified Odyssey (mini-van) and it's classified in the mid-size/compact truck class. Of course it's not going to be nearly the size of the 1/2 ton & up trucks. To me, it looks like a mini-Avalanche (Chevy/GM), has some nice features, but doesn't have the capabilities of a truck that I need. I don't own an '07 Tundra, but have driven an '07 CrewMax 4X4 SR5 a few times. Has some nice features, but has some attributes I dislike. Overall, it's on par if not slightly ahead of most other makes 1/2 ton trucks. Personally, I dislike the style, but style is all in the eye of the beholder. So my opinion or anybody elses on the looks shouldn't impact your opinion. I own an '06 1/2 ton and do not have any form of complex or jealousy. I've compared the two side by side many weekends (mother-in-laws neighbor has the '07 Tundra), and have driven each back to back for comparison. As stated earlier in this post, some things I like better about the Tundra, somethings I like better about my truck. This doesn't make either better than the other, just that each has their benefits and their drawbacks. Daniel: You and your friends do no towing, no off-roading & you purchased a truck? I’m curious now, why even own a truck? I find many that purchase a truck for soley street driving, no matter what make it is, are using it as a status symbol or just to have the latest and greatest. I know it’s a free country and you have the right to purchase what you like, but there are way too many people buying trucks these days that use them as cars. This is the market Honda built the Ridgeline for.

Now the Ridgeline, is a modified Odyssey (mini-van) and it’s classified in the mid-size/compact truck class. Of course it’s not going to be nearly the size of the 1/2 ton & up trucks. To me, it looks like a mini-Avalanche (Chevy/GM), has some nice features, but doesn’t have the capabilities of a truck that I need.

I don’t own an ‘07 Tundra, but have driven an ‘07 CrewMax 4X4 SR5 a few times. Has some nice features, but has some attributes I dislike. Overall, it’s on par if not slightly ahead of most other makes 1/2 ton trucks. Personally, I dislike the style, but style is all in the eye of the beholder. So my opinion or anybody elses on the looks shouldn’t impact your opinion.

I own an ‘06 1/2 ton and do not have any form of complex or jealousy. I’ve compared the two side by side many weekends (mother-in-laws neighbor has the ‘07 Tundra), and have driven each back to back for comparison. As stated earlier in this post, some things I like better about the Tundra, somethings I like better about my truck. This doesn’t make either better than the other, just that each has their benefits and their drawbacks.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1671 Daniel Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:36:42 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1671 I bought an 07 Tundra Crewmax Limited added a lift kit (ready lift) + 1"block on the back, fiberglass painted tanoue cover on the box (and all the other stuff a man can buy) So far I have 15,000 miles on it. OVER ALL I HAVE TO SAY I LIKE IT A LOT! I don't tow anything, I don't off road. I drive this truck on paved roads and highways. I put my little guy in the back, in his car seat and he loves it too! (I think it may be the lift kit, but who knows he's only 2) I have not experienced any of the problems described by others. The Toyota service department in my hometown is awesome! Those guys really treat me well!(that alone is worth its weight in gold) I think the guy who's going to buy a Honda Ridgeline is super funny. Just because it is so little, like clown car/mini van :) Back to the Tundra topic. I also have 2 other friends that bought Toyota's recently, one bought a 07 Tundra double cab and the other bought a Toyota Tacoma, (they don't tow anything or off road either, they just commute) they both say that its the BEST TRUCK THEY HAVE EVER OWNED! So in my opinion don't believe everything you read , go rent one, borrow one, what ever you have to do and try it out for your self. I firmly believe that some of these guys bashing Tundras on this post work for Ford, GM, or some other competitor. After all I though this was Tundra Head Quarters, so its kinda funny when all these COMPETITOR LOVERS go to the time and effort to come to a Toyota friendly website to bash the Tundra. You know, some people would say that there may be an inferiority complex happening here, but I think there probably just jealousy. Further more, I think they should come out with a Lexus version of the Tundra Crewmax and tack on an extra $50,OOO, I would pay it! I bought an 07 Tundra Crewmax Limited
added a lift kit (ready lift) + 1″block on the back, fiberglass painted tanoue cover on the box (and all the other stuff a man can buy)

So far I have 15,000 miles on it.

OVER ALL I HAVE TO SAY I LIKE IT A LOT!
I don’t tow anything, I don’t off road. I drive this truck on paved roads and highways. I put my little guy in the back, in his car seat and he loves it too! (I think it may be the lift kit, but who knows he’s only 2)

I have not experienced any of the problems described by others.

The Toyota service department in my hometown is awesome! Those guys really treat me well!(that alone is worth its weight in gold)

I think the guy who’s going to buy a Honda Ridgeline is super funny. Just because it is so little, like clown car/mini van :)

Back to the Tundra topic. I also have 2 other friends that bought Toyota’s recently, one bought a 07 Tundra double cab and the other bought a Toyota Tacoma, (they don’t tow anything or off road either, they just commute) they both say that its the BEST TRUCK THEY HAVE EVER OWNED!

So in my opinion don’t believe everything you read , go rent one, borrow one, what ever you have to do and try it out for your self.

I firmly believe that some of these guys bashing Tundras on this post work for Ford, GM, or some other competitor. After all I though this was Tundra Head Quarters, so its kinda funny when all these COMPETITOR LOVERS go to the time and effort to come to a Toyota friendly website to bash the Tundra. You know, some people would say that there may be an inferiority complex happening here, but I think there probably just jealousy.

Further more, I think they should come out with a Lexus version of the Tundra Crewmax and tack on an extra $50,OOO, I would pay it!

]]> By: Bob Rosehill http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1660 Bob Rosehill Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:23:39 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1660 I'm one of the lucky ones. My employer gets me a new vehicle every five years. I've had a Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Nissan truck during my career. I decided to try the Tundra this time even though it was the second most expensive of the trucks we looked at, because I liked the size, safety rating, 6-speed automatic transmission, and power. I drive about 200 - 250 miles per day starting at about sea level, climbing up to about 10,000 ft elevation, than back down. I travel over highway, country and gravel roads. Only one problem - my radio shuts off by itself. Dealer fixing the problem this week. By far the best ruck I have driven. Exceptional engine and tranny, nice quiet ride, solid all around feel, and superior storage area. I’m one of the lucky ones. My employer gets me a new vehicle every five years. I’ve had a Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Nissan truck during my career. I decided to try the Tundra this time even though it was the second most expensive of the trucks we looked at, because I liked the size, safety rating, 6-speed automatic transmission, and power. I drive about 200 – 250 miles per day starting at about sea level, climbing up to about 10,000 ft elevation, than back down. I travel over highway, country and gravel roads. Only one problem – my radio shuts off by itself. Dealer fixing the problem this week. By far the best ruck I have driven. Exceptional engine and tranny, nice quiet ride, solid all around feel, and superior storage area.

]]> By: Justin http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1639 Justin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:19:45 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2007/10/16/consumer-reports-says-new-tundra-is-below-average/#comment-1639 Not only are the Tundra and Camry having issues, check these out about the Tacoma: http://www.kpho.com/video/14310861/index.html http://www.wsmv.com/news/14295351/detail.html http://www.wsmv.com/iteam/14304072/detail.html 20 NHSTA complaints so far, this year alone http://www.wsmv.com/download/2007/1006/14283049.pdf Sienna: http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-to-fix-600000-sienna-minivans.html Not only are the Tundra and Camry having issues, check these out about the Tacoma:

http://www.kpho.com/video/14310861/index.html

http://www.wsmv.com/news/14295351/detail.html

http://www.wsmv.com/iteam/14304072/detail.html

20 NHSTA complaints so far, this year alone

http://www.wsmv.com/download/2.....283049.pdf

Sienna:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/to.....ivans.html

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