Tundra vs Sierra-Silverado Part Three: Ride, Handling, and Comfort

Posted by admin (Jason) in February 18th, 2008

Posted in: Toyota Tundra Reviews and Comparisons

This is the third and final part of our comparison series Toyota Tundra vs Chevy Silverado GMC Sierra (read part one and part two). In this segment, we’re going to compare the two trucks in terms of ride, handling, and comfort. Just like before, we’re focused on the aspects of the trucks that are most important to a typical non-commercial user. As always, any comments (good or otherwise) are welcome.

Toyota Tundra compared to Chevy Silverado GMC Sierra

RIDE:

GM offers a “smooth” suspension on their base model trucks, and a 1500 LS1 we drove easily rode better than the Tundra. Unfortunately, that smooth-riding suspension isn’t available on the 6.0L GM trucks with the heavy duty trailering/hauling suspension. It’s difficult to compare the suspension on a 5.7L Tundra capable of towing 10k+ lbs to the suspension of a 5.3L Sierra/Silverado capable of hauling at most 8,500 lbs. When we ride in the 6.0L, the difference is hard to detect. As we’ve said time and again, ride quality should be one of the least important factors when buying a truck. That’s not to say that ride isn’t important - it’s just that empty trucks that aren’t hauling or towing don’t tend to ride very well at all (at least when compared to a car or luxury SUV).

WINNER: GM. The Sierra and Silverado ride much nicer in the “light duty” configuration, and nearly the same in the “max trailering” configuration. Considering most people don’t buy the 6.0L, the average GM truck will ride better than the average Tundra. Of course, the average GM truck won’t be near as powerful as the average Tundra, but we already mentioned that.

HANDLING:

People often use skid-pad and slalom tests to determine objectively just how well a vehicle handles. Unfortunately, these tests have little to do with real-world truck use. Edmunds.com tested both a 2007 Tundra and a 2007 Silverado and found them to be nearly equivalent. The Tundra had a 0.69 g rating on the skidpad, the Sierra a 0.71. Slalom tests were about 55mph for the Tundra and 57mph for the Sierra, but the tester stated he/she wasn’t able to get the Tundra’s VSC system turned off, so the actual results are probably better. Turning radius is another statistic that is often compared, and the Tundra needs 44 ft to turn around, the Silverado 47 ft. No significant differences between the stats.

Driving the two trucks, the Silverado-Sierra handles quite well. Again, the 5.3 LS and the 5.3 LE, both with the smooth suspension, out-rode and out-handled the Tundra. Comparing the 6.0L GM trucks, the GMs still seem to handle a little more smoothly. Perhaps it’s the Tundra’s too-powerful steering assist, or perhaps its the fact that the GMs are a little lower to the ground, but we really liked the feel of the GM trucks. They handle quite nicely.

WINNER: GM. Handing feels better on the Sierra-Silverado than on the Tundra, even though all the statistics indicate they handle the same.

COMFORT

We understand that a lot of people out their think the “comfort” comparison is pointless…after all, you’re buying a truck right? We decided this time that we’d compare the interior of a fully-loaded Tundra CrewMax to a GMC Sierra SLT (arguably, the nicest half-ton made by GM). They both had rear DVDs, navigation, sunroofs, etc. Sitting in the front seats, the GMC felt nicer and more luxurious. Sitting in the backseat, the Tundra was roomier and definitely nicer. We’ll call it a tie, but the difference between the GM’s backseat and the Tundra’s backseat was pretty significant.

The seats themselves aren’t too different. Everyone fits in vehicles differently, but we managed to get comfortable in both trucks. One of us is 6′4″ and 260lbs, the other is 5′9″ and 180lbs, so we figure just about everyone will find a good place. Having said that, the Toyota is more comfortable the bigger you are - the seats are just bigger and wider, and the lumbar feels better too.

WINNER: GM. The two are awfully close, so close we’d call it a tie. By rule, a tie goes to the older design.

OVERALL COMPARISON WINNER:

One of the great things about today’s truck market is that there are no bad trucks…every option available (Ford, Dodge, Chevy/GMC, and Nissan) is excellent. When comparing the vehicles, it’s usually difficult to find a clear winner. Every vehicle does one thing better than everyone else. For instance, if you’re looking for a truck that rides and handles well, is affordable, offers 20mpg fuel economy, and if you don’t mind being a little slower and less powerful than some other trucks, a case can be made for the 5.3L Silverado or Sierra. On the other hand, if you need a truck that can haul and tow with the best of them, while still offering great quality and average or above-average ride, handling, interior, safety, etc., than the Tundra is the way to go. Not to mention Tundra’s $1000+ pricing advantage (which is significant).

Considering the Tundra easily beat out the Sierra-Silverado in terms of engine, transmission, brakes, safety, and pricing, narrowly beat the Sierra-Silverado in interior and exterior features, and tied or narrowly lost on the rest, the Tundra is the winner. The Tundra represents a better compromise of everything we measured in our comparison. Assuming you could only have one truck, and assuming you had a need for one with power, the Tundra is the way to go. GM needs to offer more than a 4speed automatic, upgrade their safety systems, and reduce their costs in order to pull ahead of the Toyota product.

See our other comparisons - Tundra vs. Ram and Tundra vs. F150.

Next:Drive a Tundra? Like Bass Fishing? Good News.

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Jake Said in February 19th, 2008 @2:34 am

I like the engine of Toyota Tundra. The parts are not that hard to buy compare to the two. Great comparison! Thanks…

Mickey Said in February 22nd, 2008 @8:47 pm

I beg to disagree about your findings that the ride doesn’t matter. I had both GM and I got the Tundra now. I give GM for the real guages with numbers and there innovative thinking for Curb View mirrors, Heated Seats, Bose speakers, and for me the idiot turn signal chime to let you know the turn signal is on. I applaud that GM allows XM to be factory installed but that’s as far as it goes. The GM interior didn’t last long before trouble arose. I had the GM for 36,000 with numerous trips to the shop. 8x replacing the headliner, both tail lights fell off, repainting both quarter panels, ABS Brake job 2x. Vibration still evident every time you brake the back end vibrates. Sunroof broke at 7,000 miles. Where Tundra beats GM especially in the sunroof/moonroof option. Back glass rolls down just like the other 4 windows. Tundra’s sunroof actually goes inside the headliner not on top of the roof. Way better turn radius, I won’t go to the engine area, Back up camera, so far at 17,000 miles I had it in the shop once to replace pass mirror because it wouldn’t auto close at 15,000 miles. You haven’t mention it but trips to the shop is what gets the customers in an uproar. What good is an LT3 Silverado when it’s in the shop constantly for it’s defects? Why does GM need to know if I own another GM product??? You can find all you want against a Tundra you won’t change my mind. Had my Crewmax since July being my first Toyota since 1976. By the way my 5.7 gets the same mpg as my 4.6 Chevy did. I get 22.5mpg at 60mph.

ICUH8N Said in February 24th, 2008 @8:12 pm

“By rule, a tie goes to the older design.”

Both trucks were redesigned for the ‘07 model year, how are the GM twins the “older” design? Is it because they came out a couple months before the Tundra?

Anonymous Said in February 25th, 2008 @7:07 am

You forgot the part about comparing the recalls on the Tundra versus the Silverado. That 5.7 V8 could break you know!

Anonymous Said in February 25th, 2008 @7:08 am

You forgot the part about the comparison of the Tundra recall to the Silverado truck. That 5.7L V8 could break you know!

Hexmate Said in February 25th, 2008 @7:12 am

Hey Mickey! Wait until your tailgate bends on that Tundra because your truck will flex and see how many times you have to replace it.

Hexmate Said in February 25th, 2008 @7:19 am

Check out the pictures from last year’s Texas State Fair and look at what Toyota used to haul their trailer with - a Chevy Silverado! Don’t take my word for it see for yourself:

http://jalopnik.com/cars/picku.....304526.php

admin Said in February 25th, 2008 @6:48 pm

Hexmate - thanks for posting that link - sorry it took so long to approve the comment (comments are held for moderation if they contain a link).

If only the Silverado towing the racing trailer were a half-ton…since it’s not, there’s not much of a point. Still, the picture is funny.

ICU8HN - Clever moniker. The answer to your question is “yes”. The Silverado debuted in August 2006 and went on sale a couple of months later. The Tundra began selling in January 2007. Close difference, but a difference none the less.

Hexmate Said in February 27th, 2008 @5:43 am

Hey Mickey! Check your tailgate for this:

“I will be getting tailgate #3 Saturday. So far the dealer has been telling me that I should use the truck as I intend to and when the tailgate begins to crack, I need to stop in so they can photograph the cracking and bending. They then open a ticket, order a new one, paint it and call me when it is ready. They then swap out the guts and badging and install the new one.”

Go to tundrasolutions.com and you can find hundreds of posts about this problem. Always carry a spare tailgate Mickey. Toyota - The Truck that is changing it all! It sure is!

Hexmate Said in February 27th, 2008 @6:48 am

Maybe a heads up on that 6 speed transmission is in order too. Check it out:
“At least ten 2007 Toyota Tundra owners at TundraSolutions.com (TS) have posted experiences of six-speed transmission anomalies that all share a common symptom. The transmission randomly rough-shifts for several seconds, making the truck feel like it’s riding on a roadside rumble strip. Hence, the problem has been given the informal name ‘rumble strip’ transmission issue.”

admin Said in February 27th, 2008 @4:25 pm

Hexmate - No disrespect to Tundra owners that have to deal with the “rumble” problem, but this issue is very small. If you figure it’s under-reported by a factor of 20, that would mean there are about 200 Tundras in the U.S. that have the problem. That represents .1% of the trucks sold last year - that hardly deserves a “heads up”.

Your point about tailgates is correct. However, this issue is being resolved. In and of itself it’s not going to influence the end result — the Tundra surpassed the GM product in most respects.

Hexmate Said in February 28th, 2008 @5:49 am

Easy Admin! You are getting a little defensive. Where is your data that supports your calculations? Suppose the problem is bigger than you estimated? You must consider the fact that some drivers are still trying discern what that experience means when their vehicle exhibits that condition and the blogs present a counter point to your comment. Naturally the Toyota is going to surpass everything it is rated against on this site - it’s Tundra Headquarters! Duh - go figure! Just trying to present a little balance to the information presented.

Mike S Said in February 28th, 2008 @8:33 am

There have been allot more than 200 Tranny and Torque converters with the rumble strip issue. A very small percentage of Tundra owners even know about Tundra Solutions.

If you go through all the posts there it’s more than 20. Now throw in the cheap build of this truck with the ultra thin sheet metal and the flimsy tailgate not to mention the Engine that sounds like a diesel, you can agree that this new Tundra is definitely changing things one part at a time.

Hexmate Said in February 28th, 2008 @9:20 am

Admin - Another interesting comparison to make is the one Car & Driver magazine did last October where they pitted the Ford F150, Dodge Ram, Toyota Tundra, Nissan Titan, Chevy Silverado against each other in a heads up competition. Funny they have a different opinion and result than your comparo does. In fact the Tundra comes in 3rd behind the Titan while the Silverado finishes 1st overall and by a significant margin. Must be their independent veiwpoint, but they weren’t that impressed with the Tundra. Of course they brought a little different perspective to their process because they really drove the trucks in their comparison versus looking at some stat page and pictures of the vehicles. In fact they added another element to their data - they invited 2 contractors who use these kinds of pick-ups everyday to offer their professional opinion about the trucks and validate the real world impressions of the vehicles. Just another way to balance the information so it doesn’t sound like a commercial or sales pitch.

admin Said in February 28th, 2008 @12:16 pm

Hexmate - Thanks for your comments. First of all, I object to your accusation. We’ve driven all three vehicles at length. Our comparison is based on our own real experience. Secondly, the Car and Driver test rated the Silverado number 1 because they felt it was the best in terms of handling. The “verdict” was that the Silverado is”A sweet-driving pickup that’s big on action, light on serious-hauler details”. We’re not exactly sure what that means, but it sounds like Car and Driver is more concerned about “sweet driving” than anything else. Hardly seems like a good standard for pickups. Incidentally, we also gave the Silverado the nod in terms of ride and handling, and we didn’t even compare a TRD Tundra to a cherry LTZ Silverado without the Z71 package (the TRD will ride MUCH rougher than a non-Z71 Chevy). If you want to talk about bias, perhaps you should address that fact with C&D.

admin Said in February 28th, 2008 @12:32 pm

Mike - It’s commonly accepted that problems are underreported, but the exact multiplier is uncertain. A Center for Auto Safety study in relation to GM and Ford fuel tank fires found a ratio of 4 to 1. It’s commonly believed in the web industry that only 1 in 20 people will take the time to comment or share their own experience (based on the ratio of visitors to commenters). That’s where we pulled the number from. Nonetheless, it’s fair to say we have no idea how big the problem could be. Perhaps before you talk about the Tundra’s problems, you should see the number of TSBs issued by Chevy and compare them to the Tundra…Chevy issued 122 TSBs on the 07 version of the truck in our test, Toyota only 5 TSBs on the 07 version of the Tundra we tested. Granted, many of the 122 TSBs issued weren’t applicable, but based on the sheer volume my guess is that Chevy had many more problems with their new truck than Toyota did with theirs. Perhaps this data will be included in our next comparison…

Hexmate Said in February 28th, 2008 @4:56 pm

Admin - If you drove the vehicles then why were your results so different from all of the areas that Car & Driver covered on their vehicle comparison? If you had read the Car & Driver story, it is apparent you did not other than the little summary box, you would have seen they evaluated the trucks based on 4 major catagories similar to yours including the vehicle, powertrain, chassis, and experience. In the Vehicle catagory they rated driver comfort, ergonomics, rear-seat comfort, rear-seat space, bed utility, features/amenities, fit and finish, interior styling, exterior styling, rebates/discounts, as-tested price. In that catagory Tundra scored below Silverado in every segment except one and it tied on 2 of them. Under Powertrain the segments were, quarter mile acceleration, flexibility, fuel economy, engine, transmission, and the Tundra edged out the Silverado in each of those. Then under Chassis there was, performance, towing capacity, steering feel, brake feel, off-road capability, handling, ride, and the Silverado beat the Tundra in all but one of the segments. Finally under experience the 2 segments were “gotta have it” and fun to drive and the Tundra and Silverado split those. So you see their analysis was just as indepth as yours, but it included 2 independent contractors who gave their rating along with the writers. With regard to your analysis, did you use any impartial parties or maybe some owners of pick-up trucks to create your report? It lends a lot of credibility to the results. If this truck were that good there wouldn’t be a $4000 rebate/incentive on it right now.

Hexmate Said in February 28th, 2008 @5:20 pm

Admin - I must have been lumped in with Mike on your response with regard to the “rumble strip” transmission issue. I see you are now waffling with regard to providing any data because you don’t have any thus the size of the problem is unknown. However, I see you have gone on the defensive and want to drag GM & Ford out into the mud with the Tundra by making accusations the Tundra only had 5 TSB’s while the Silverado had 122 TSB’s. Do we know that is a fact with regard to the Tundra seeing as how credibility is coming into question here? At least you finally admitted you have no idea how big the “rumble strip” transmission problem could be. Oh and since you are looking at things statistically, when you compare the 5 TSB’s to the 200,000 Tundra units sold that represents 2.5% while the 122 TSB’s for the 826,500 Sierra and Silverado trucks sold comes out to 1.47% - the GM trucks outperformed the Tundra again.

admin Said in February 28th, 2008 @6:03 pm

Hexmate - your idea of relating TSBs to total vehicles sold is interesting. But your math is wrong…the GM truck % is 0.0147, the Tundra % is 0.0025. So you’re only off by a factor of 5.9 (in the Tundra’s favor). Thanks for playing. As for me waffling, not really sure what you mean. We don’t know exactly how big the “rumble” problem is, but that doesn’t change our opinion that it’s minor. I feel 100% confident in saying that because we, unlike you, actually talk to Tundra owners every day. Based on our interactions with 100’s of Tundra owners, we can say it’s a relatively rare thing. As for C&D’s test results differing from ours, it seems like C&D liked the Silverado better in a lot of the subjective categories (like brake “feel” as opposed to actual braking distances). We placed a lot of emphasis on the things we can actually measure. We also took more of a “pass/fail” approach as opposed to C&D’s 1-10 scoring. Finally, did we involve independent contractors? No. Sorry. We don’t have the resources for that type of thing. However, if you’d like to send us $12 a year to view our website, we’ll be that much closer.

Hexmate Said in February 28th, 2008 @7:31 pm

Admin - Thanks for correcting my math - I was never good at that subject….Wow! That is a lot of truck sales isn’t it? Oh maybe that is why Tundra only had 5 TSB’s - probably have a lot people standing around in that plant in San Antonio waiting for something to do. Waffling means you initially discounted the problem as being small and then reversed yourself and said you don’t know how big the problem is. Now you have waffled back in the other direction because you talk with hundreds of Toyota owners, and yet you don’t have any money to involve them in your assessment. You running for political office? Who’s paying the phone bill? Of course you based your comparison on things you could measure, but you didn’t measure equal trucks so you skewed the data in your favor. Interesting but again it relates to your credibility and integrity not mine. So you have no money, but you are more than willing to conduct assessments that should be unbiased, but can’t be because you are all on the payroll and have no resources…ummm. Something about this sounds rather perverse. Maybe you could get Toyota to reduce that $4000 dollar incentive and flip you few bucks to run a real unbiased survey.

admin Said in February 28th, 2008 @10:58 pm

Hexmate - You continue to accuse us of bias, yet it’s quite clear from your comments your only interest is denigrating the Tundra. At least we were willing to give the GM products their due. You accuse the Toyota of having lots of problems, yet the average Silverado was 6 times more likely to have a TSB than the average Tundra. You say that our comparison is skewed, yet many of our findings coincide with the comparison done by C&D. Finally, you pull the “political office” insult out of nowhere. I’m going to guess and say that math wasn’t your only bad subject in school…you probably struggled at everything.

Thanks for commenting.

Hexmate Said in February 29th, 2008 @5:08 am

Admin - Thanks for your comments. Whoa - the truth hurts doesn’t it? I see my pun struck a nerve and resulted in a personal assault on me. Apparently you didn’t like the definition of waffling, but hey you waffled I didn’t. You didn’t give the GM products anything and if you read through your assessment it drips with cheap shots, “plastic interior” and other innuendos, trying to belittle the Silverado. If you were so generous with your recognition for the Silverado and your results did coincide with Car & Driver, then you would have come up with the same results they did - oh and there would be a Titan sitting in front of the Tundra. I’m not accusing you of being bias; you are biased without a doubt - read your comparison! I never said the Toyota has lots of problems just the 3 that I pointed out. You are the one on the defensive trying to explain or trivialize the rumble strip problem which brings us to the question of how you know so much about the problem to begin with. Regardless of my math error, I have always maintained my integrity - consider that when you conduct another assessment; it doesn’t cost anything. Thanks for your feedback.

Hexmate Said in February 29th, 2008 @8:05 am

And the beat goes on - the heartbeat that is.

A petition has been launched. I find it telling that one of these people says that the Tundra owners manual actually warns owners not to drive with the gate down. In spite of this fact, Toyota sells bed extenders at its dealers for this truck. Toyota clearly knows something that they aren’t telling the owners…who have found out by losing their tailgates while going down the road, having them crack with less than 200 lbs on them and getting crunched at the corners due to excessive bed flex. Every single truck will need to be recalled to have new redesigned gates installed. Toyota has blown it with this truck, it will destroy their gleaming image of build quality within a year.”

Hexmate Said in February 29th, 2008 @8:10 am

Warning! Don’t take your Tundra off road because this could happen to you! Check it out at the Utube site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....A&NR=1

Hexmate Said in February 29th, 2008 @8:36 am

Consumer Reports has selected the Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Crew Cab as its top truck choice among all pickups for 2008. Imagine that!

TRUCK CHAMP Said in February 29th, 2008 @12:05 pm

You CHEVY people ar hilarious! How long did it take to convince yourself that just because CHEVY builds more trucks its ok for them to have more problems? Have either of you actually even drove the TUNDRA? I mean have you ever put the trucks to the test yourself? Instead of reading some article? I mean I have, and frankly I thought I broke the center console on the GMT/900 SILVERADO when I got in! See I am kinda big so im ruff on the interior of a truck. When I jumped in I put my hand on the center console to prop my self up, it just snapped off and fell over. I was crackin up! On a more serious note the truth is i pulled a 9500 lb trailer with both on a closed course. That silverado did ride nice, like they always have, in a straght line. When I hit the horsehoe turn I lost traction in both trucks( I was going about 25 mph). The difference was how quickly the TUNDRA reacted, the CHEVY totally went off track, i could not gain control and had to come to a complete stop and start over. The TUNDRA on the other hand regained its composure and without having to stop I kept it on track without knocking over a single cone. Another big difference was braking with that big trailer. I did stop a little faster in the TUNDRA but the CHEVY didnt do horrible. I just didnt like how hard i had to push the peddle on the CHEVY it took everything i had to stop that truck. The TUNDRA actually pulled the peddle to the floor for me and was much easier to stop. I mean we could mention the acceleration on the trucks, but if you have driven both you dont need a stopwatch to know the TUNDRA blows the doors off the CHEVY. We all know the turning radius is way better on the TUNDRA so we wont talk about that.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in February 29th, 2008 @12:34 pm

I hope I covered the most important aspects of pulling a trailer with a truck if I missed something, point it out and I will be happy to comment on anything that actually maters when towing in a REAL-LIFE situation.

admin Said in February 29th, 2008 @4:33 pm

Hexmate - How about addressing the reasons that we found the Tundra to be superior? You’ve never disagreed that the Tundra has a better engine, is safer, has more standard features, has a better price, and that the Tundra’s interior feels larger and more comfortable (especially in the Crew). The only “evidence” you’ve produced is repeating some anecdotes about transmission rumble, yet it’s clear that the Tundra 6 speed is superior to a GM 4 speed in terms of performance. You sight C&D as an authority, yet you’ve never explained how it’s OK for them to compare a Tundra with an off-road suspension to a GM truck without one (of course the GM would ride better - it’s supposed to). Based on your accusations directed at us, why can’t you admit C&D might be biased too? At a minimum, they made a mistake. I also find it interesting that you’ve never disagreed that the Silverado has more problems either (as supported by the TSBs, something you brought to our attention - thank you). Basically, you’ve never produced anything that refutes our key assertions. Instead, you post links to pictures and videos that show how, in one specific instance or another, the Silverado is “better”. The video you linked shows the Silverado’s better LSD, but of course, that’s a feature you have to buy on the Chevy. The Tundra provides a LSD free of charge. Incidentally, we will suggest there might be a little bias there (after all, that’s a video Chevy produced). The Consumer Reports endorsement is newsworthy for sure, but if you read up on that you’ll find it wasn’t based on a real comparison. Instead, it was based on projected reliability (a laughable concept). If you refer to our previous posts about Consumer Reports, you’ll find this is a perspective we’ve had from day one. Besides, if you do a little research, you’ll see that Consumer Reports found the Tundra to be superior to the GM product in a direct comparison just a few months ago. Thanks for commenting.

admin Said in February 29th, 2008 @4:36 pm

Truck Champ - Thanks for commenting. You brought up some great points. I think it’s particularly important that the Tundra stopped better and maintained control while towing (thanks to the larger brakes and superior electronics, just like we said in our comparison). It’s also interesting to point out how the GM interior broke the first time you got in it. Cheap plastic indeed.

Mickey Said in February 29th, 2008 @8:05 pm

Hexmate sorry for not replying. Been out of town for the last week. #1 How much duct tape you have for your chevy? How many recalls did chevy had? Yes I know too many to talk about along with the noted defects. Who got that Motor Trend award? Yes get your facts straight. I’m always on my tailgate along with my riding mower. I’m over 250lbs and I have yet to see any cracks. As you mention QUALITY where was the silverado on this issue? Stop laughing I know it was on the bottom of the list. Yes Ford edge out Toyota but not your GM product. Hexmate you didn’t strike a nerve, you just proved your intelligence on the matter. I’m glad they have people like you who own a GM product. It shows that most of you out there are very pissed at Toyota for knocking you off that hill you were on. Did you ever owned any other truck but Chevy? I owned a F-150, Silverado, now a Tundra. As you know your GM product was the worst along with your customer assistance. There’s no other way to mention GM’s cheap interior. I lived it for 16 months with the headliner coming down 8x. How cheap is that. Your sunroof after 7,000 miles breaks and GM says you need to lube the tracks. They were afraid to say the sunroof misaligned itself and that’s why it wouldn’t move. Lube it that’s about how much your truck is worth. Yes know it now I DO HAVE THE “NEW HEARTBEAT OF AMERICA”.

Mickey Said in February 29th, 2008 @8:11 pm

Anonymous The 06 Silverado had 2 recalls and the 122 TSB’s. Now since the 06 was the 3rd year out why are they having these problems???? Quality I guess yes LIKE A ROCK.

Mickey Said in February 29th, 2008 @8:17 pm

Forgot you GM lovers…Why did chevy call they left over 06’s and 07’s classic? Or was the 07’s were left over 06’s they couldn’t sell? You talk about the torques (rumble strip) but what about your first recall? Do you even know how to inflate your tire? Your second recall? Can you trust your power steering hose on over 127,000 trucks? Man oh Man that’s heavy one…Where’s the quality in that?

Mickey Said in March 1st, 2008 @8:51 am

Admin I want to comment on the change of look you did for the forum. It’s very appealing. 100% better. Thaks

Mickey Said in March 1st, 2008 @10:34 am

Hexmate Motor Trend ring a bell to you? That’s right listen to what you want. It’s obvious where you’re coming from. I was there against your imfamous Silverado and F-150. Let’s talk about the tailgate. Yes Toyota has an issue with this but you expect me to believe just putting 250lbs cause it to crack. I weigh 260lbs and I’m always on mine and to see you had to replace it a 3rd time what are you putting on yours? You are so much up GM and I’m sorry GM has the same problems and yes I went thru them. Mythbusters proved leaving your tailgate down doesn’t improve mpg. Cops don’t particular care for trucks with there tailgate down either because it blocks the view of the plate. My question is why leave the tailgate down. Personally I would have tried something different on the tailgate after the second replacement till a fix was put out. You can’t recall it because it doesn’t fit under a safety issue like the headliner chevy has. As far as TSB’s are concerned 5 out of 200,000 is way less than 122 out of 826,500. Since you’re so into GM how about bailing them out? Who lost their rears last quarter. Admin he’s stuck on C&D. For him to believe the chevy has more room than my crewmax is ludicrus. Chevy have more towing power also insane. They would need the 6.0 to do this and that’s an option. So Hexmate when you go get your Chevy call me and I will send you a free roll of duct tape.

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @6:02 am

Wow these are interesting posts! It will take a little time to respond to all of these comments, but it is good to see the Tundra boys are on the defensive - all 2 of you along with the admin, a far cry from the posts showing up out there at tundrasolutions.com. Those would be real unbiased customers who are not happy with their tailgates and they are not happy about their transmission either. Hey I didn’t start the petition nor did I write the owner’s manual about not overloading the tailgate and the flex problem is just another indicator of the problem the truck has with regard to engineering quality. Obviously we have one person with limited driving skills making handling comparisons while the other is making comparisons between an old vehicle and a newer vehicle without the same number of miles or experience with the newer vehicle. The admin is extremely biased and basing comparisons between vehicles on subjective data. More to come gang. Have a great day and thanks for all of the comments.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @9:45 am

HEXMATE, Ive been patiently waiting for another excuse of why your CHEVY was outperformed again. If your going to assume I have limited driving skills you should at least give a reason for that assumption. I also notice you did not respond to your poorly designed center console or your slower, less powerful engine drivetrain combo. If you want to talk about issues, lets talk about some of the issues customers are having with their CHEVY, since you keep bringing up TUNDRASOLUTIONS.COM.

“I have really earily simular problem with 07 Silverado, after putting on some after market wheels same size as stock wheels, I began experiencing problem and thought it was rotors and or brakes but I replaced rotors and brake pads thinking it was warping, but to no avail the problem still exist’s when I press the brake pedal the whole front end of truck buck’s but steering wheel is fine, This truck has 10,000 miles on it the dealership tells me it’s the wheel but they are only guessing.”

“i have a 2007 1500 crew cab and i was out the other nite and the brakes got so hot on the front it melted the center caps off and melted the sencers one the inside of wheel which makes the traction control lite come on so i have real problems the truck has 5600 miles.. this is too soon to be having problems i wonder if my warranty covers this major problem”

“I’ve had brake and e-brake problems (soft pedal, ABS at low speeds, no e-brake etc) since 80K miles (now have 110K miles) and am about fed up with spending money and time trying to fix a faulty design with no help from the dealers or OEM. I finally posted a complaint with the NHTSA (URL below). May or may not help, but at least it lets the Fed know there is a problem with the brakes on these trucks. Good Luck!”

” Hi, I don’t know if you still come on this website but I’ve had the same problem that also results in the locking of the steering wheel. I’ve been through arbitration with GMC and the arbitrator said it was not the fault of GM. I’ve posted a newsletter that the State of Utah Department of Public Safety just put out on Nov. 1 2007. If you go to Forums-Pickups-Chev&GMC Steering problems it’s #60. I also posted to the same forum under #’s-53,54, & 57. I can’t believe so many of us are having the same problem, yet GM won’t do anything about it. I hope we can change this.”

“I’m also hesitant to take it to the GM dealer. Had an issue with them a while back on a recall that they said they would fix, then decided it was my fault (faulty tail gate cables).
So I’m still a little bit upset with them right now.”

” I had serious break problems; they couldn’t seem to stop the truck. At all (10-300miles…dealer had no idea what to do after repeated visists). I typically drive in commuter traffic and they have stunk! from day one. Then a friend showed me his Chevy 2500HD his breaks that are practically the same and his truck did not stop either… rear calipers were not greased from the factory or installed properly. Off I went to Google and every GM/GMC forum on trucks, seems there are hundreds and thousands of folks out there with GM brake problems, My brother and father both have GMC truck and they also have problems. Toyota even markets their trucks to the fact that GM has crappy brakes…Hmmm what do they know that GM does not..”

“My husband bought me a 2007 1500 Silverado in June 2007 so I would have a safe truck to drive. Well let me tell you by no means is this truck safe. Had it for 2 months and the front fender shifted backward and jammed the front door so as not to open. Took back to Chevy, got it fixed and repainted - new truck.

Then the a/c unit started making a flapping noise sounded like bb’s coming through the dash. Took it back and the dealer told us that GM knows of this problem but no fix at this time. Then the plastic lug nuts started falling off the truck again back to Chevy and again found out GM has known of this problem since 2005. When moisture gets on lugs they swell and do not return to original state which makes them larger than the threads and they release.

I bet by now you think this is all well no, windows seals have risen up off the body of the truck and are allowing sand and debris to collect in the track which has scratched the glass and makes a terrible squealing noise when rolled up and down, again back to Chevy cleaned channels only for it to start again in a couple of weeks. Not all yet folks. Computer clock now jumps time at will one minute its 10 o’clock then its 10:45 then its 1:22. Now my seat belt sensor stopped working most of the time some times it works some times it doesn’t,oh and lets not forget the cargo light that has never worked. Only had this truck for almost 5 months.Contacted dealer and GM about all these problems and repair attempts and no fix has been done on any of them,all problems still exist today.”

I could go on and on and on. I am so glad my brakes are working just fine. I am also so happy that no TUNDRA people are having terrible problems with their brakes, If they were I would fear for my safety rather than the paint job on my tailgate.

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:06 am

Before you get too carried away with the Tundra quality record it would be wise to take a look back at the past performance. The Associated Press announced today TOYOTA RECALLS 533 THOUSAND Tundras and Suvs for steering problems. 2005 Toyota recalls 2.2 million vehicles. 2006 Toyota recalls 766 thousand vehicles. Toyotas envolved in class action lawsuit concerning engine sluge problems. Hmmm… something about this makes the timing about all this Tundra quality hype a little premature.

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:14 am

Truck Champ - I think you would need some pictures of the damage you were able to reek on that Silverado console, especially since your post sounded a lot less than authentic. Oh and you can find that same stuff you posted about the Silverado at the Tundra website - very original!

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:17 am

This was an outstanding comment from the North American International Autoshow.
Toyota. The Japanese juggernaut failed to meet its stated (and often publicly repeated) goal for its new Tundra full-size pickup, falling short of its 200,000 sales target (196,555). Toyota is saying they made their number for all intents and purposes, and if they feel that strongly about it, we’ll give it to ‘em. But they paid a steep price to save face by having to offer staggering rebates beginning last spring and running throughout the year, which were unprecedented and unheard of in scope for a brand-new vehicle. It will only get tougher for Toyota from here on out, especially since GM has an 18-24 month jump on them (at least) with their 2 Mode Hybrid Chevy Silverado pickup due out next fall.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:20 am

Everytime you say something HEXMATE you open a new door. Quietly brushing off the current conversation. I have no problem getting into the quality war with you on past TOYOTAS and GM(which I will undoubtedly win), but if you read my copy/paste you will see that all comments are from 2007 SILVERADO owners. So basically What your saying is all MECHANICAL vehicles will definately have one problem or another from a consumer’s perspective, so maybe we should talk about things like performance, safety and capability. Oh thats right we have already agreed the only thing the CHEVY is better at is riding like a minivan. Congrats call all the girls and let the them know, if they want to buy a truck, SILVERADO is perfect for them!

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:26 am

You know if GM would only fall short 455 vehicles they would not have to offer employee pricing and 0% at the same time (summer of 06).

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:26 am

Admin - love your comment about Consumer Report basing their recommendation on “Projected Reliability” and calling it a “laughable concept,” but Toyota has been living off of that projection for years. Guess you can’t have it both ways now can you?

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:27 am

For six years by the way!

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:30 am

If they only knew how to market, project and sell they way TOYOTA does they may not be in the pickle they are in.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:37 am

Oh sorry 3445.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:49 am

CY 2007 largepickup sales UNITS %CHANGE

TOYOTA TUNDRA 196,555 +57.4

CADDILAC ESCALADE 7,967 +13.1

GMC SIERRA 208,243 -1.5

CHEVY AVALANCHE 55,550 -3.0

CHEVY SILVERADO 618,257 -3.1

I sense a trend coming? FAST!

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @10:59 am

CY 2007 Large Pickup Sales Units %Change

TOYOTA TUNDRA 196,555 +57.4%

GMC SIERRA 208,243 -1.5%

CHEVY SILVERADO 618,257 -3.1%

I sense a trend? It looks like its coming FAST!

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:02 am

Admin – Thanks for the feedback. Well let’s look at your biased comments about the Tundra being superior. Tundra’s engine isn’t superior in fact it breaks crankshafts and we don’t have any history on the reliability of this engine so more problems could be on the horizon. Tundra has a 4 Star safety rating and Silverado has a 5 Star – your bias is showing again admin. What do you mean it has more standard features – does it have Onstar? No – we could go on and on but it would serve no purpose. A better price based on what – there are way too many different packages to get at some even comparison. Funny there seems to be some differing opinions to yours with regard to your larger and more comfortable comments. You haven’t produced any evidence just some biases you want to call facts. We already know Tundra has transmission problems, engine problems, flex problems… those are facts not something I dreamed up or created – your bias is showing again admin. Well let’s see admin – C&D has been in this business for over 50 years – how long you have been doing this? What is in it for C&D to be biased plus the even invited a couple real contractors to participate – who did you invite? What’s your background and credentials? Problems, you mean more TSB’s? Yeah like Tundra doesn’t have any problems – just fewer TSB’s! Hey I gave you one link that showed you better take a Silverado with you when you drive off road, up an icy hill, etc., so you can get that Tundra out of trouble. I already covered the CP issue. Thanks for your comments admin.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:02 am

Whats a matter HEXMATE dont want to play anymore?

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:05 am

Truck Champ - Yeah that’s a real trend - might seem some signifcant shift in 50 years! NOT!

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:06 am

Turck Champ - How big was that rebate you got on your Tundra?

Hexmate Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:07 am

Truck Champ - Guess what the 6 year string just got busted!

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:10 am

Touche’
DID YOU KNOW?
Tundra just one the “Top Safety Pick” From the IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety)

TUNDRA was the only pickup to make this notable list. In years past, pickups were not eligible to win TSP designation because the IIHS had not started side-impact testing in that segment. TUNDRA’S standard airbag system and vehicle stability control (VSC) were major factors in the IIHS decision.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:12 am

EDMUNDS.COM

“Most Significant Vehicle of the Year for 2007″

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:14 am

Large Pickup Award - 2007 J.D. Power & Associates Vehicle Dependibilty Study

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:16 am

Intellichoice.com
“most impressive engine powertrain combo ever!”

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:20 am

What do you mean “string got busted”?

50 years?

Where do you think your -3.1% went?

or the -1.5%

Is it safe to say those owner’s moved to TUNDRA? Maybe the rest are still trying to “discern” theirselves with what their pickup is doing when the brakes are not working?

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:31 am

Oh and by the way about the IIHS thing, does that sound like a leader in inovation and safety? Or just a biased opinion?

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:36 am

Silence is Golden!

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:40 am

Hey Admin is ON-STAR standard or does it require a monthly fee?

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @11:55 am

Almost forgot to comment on the rigged video. HEXMATE why didnt they show the trucks going down the ramp? lol!

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 3rd, 2008 @12:44 pm

HEXMATE, are you waffling?

Mickey Said in March 3rd, 2008 @3:47 pm

Hexmate, Truck Champ I have that issue right in front of me of Consumer Reports. Page 8 Under Silverado Pickup. Sentence reads “Toyota outscored the Silverado in their tests. Also Hexmate why did the insurance istitute along with Consumer Reports along with Motor Trend states the safety factor in the tundra the best? Silverado wasn’t on the scale???? ALso who is in the hole on everything in the last quarter????? Onstar in itself is great to have but it’s not the safety of the truck So you can’t use that in a safety test. YES ONSTAR REQUIRES A contract after 1 year. At a cost of $275. So how much is a cell phone? I bought into onstar the second year then I couldn’t stand the truck anymore because of the constant trips into the shop. After 7500 miles you’re on your own in a GM on a brake issue. Cost me $100 the first visit and $200 the second visit. Maybe you hexmate would go for the third since I still had a vibration upon applying the ABS brakes. I was afraid they would charge me $300 for the third visit. You want to talk about quality, A 3rd year version model losing it’s tail lights on both sides because GM went cheap and took the metal clamp where the screw went thru and tighten up. NOOO GM thought just use the plastic part of the lens to hold it. Yes they state your truck the silverado did move up but why is it still way behind??? Why is it GMC and Chevy’s ESC Electronic stability Control an option on your vehicles when they are standard on the Tundra, Your curtain airbags are optional need I keep on going? Hexmate I got a rebate on the 03 F-150, 06 Silverado LT3, and the Tundra. So what’s your point on that. There is none. I’m not saying nor have you read any my posts that Toyota is number one yet. If you read my other posts you would see my best truck I owned was a 98 Silverado EXT Cab 3rd door. The cheapest model. I had it 1 day shy of 5 years. 2x in the shop. Now that said this Tundra I have now is very close to that. Tundra solutions isn’t the only club out there and yes they are a decent club but I won’t pay a dime for information you can get for free.

Hexmate Said in March 5th, 2008 @11:13 am

Getting mighty quite here except for some static from a couple of Tundra twins. Well Truck Champ - why don’t you mention the part about the 4 Star crash test results versus Silverado 5 Star? I understand why you don’t have anything to say. How about that - Toyota does a brand new truck, puts huge incentives on it and manages a meager increase over their past sub-standard pick-up truck. Impressive!

Hexmate Said in March 5th, 2008 @11:25 am

Here is some information about the less than forthright advertising Toyota does in the Tundra ads. Here are the myths about their spots that refute their claims. Maybe that is why their incentives are up.

Everyone has seen the ad where the Tundra pulls a trailer up a steep grade (a ’see-saw’), and then barrels down hill and locks the brakes up just before the end of the ramp. A lot of people comment About how well done the spot is visually. However, here are the actual facts:

1. The V.O. at the beginning of the spot says….”It’s tough pushing 10,000 lbs up a steep grade”. Myth: Toyota would like the audience to believe the trailer is 10,000 lbs. Fact: It’s a 5,000 lb truck pulling a 5,000 lb trailer. A little slight of hand? You bet.

2. Then, on the way down the grade, the camera zooms in on the brakes as the vehicles comes to a screeching halt just prior to the end of ramp. Next time you see the ad….look for the ‘mice type’. It indicates the trailer is equipped with electric brakes. Fact….the electric brakes stop the trailer — not the truck. A little slight of hand? You bet.

3. And why does Toyota have bigger brake pads? They need them….their truck is heavier. Stopping distance between Silverado and Tundra is virtually identical. And why does Toyota have a 6 speed transmission? To improve their fuel economy….which is still 2 mpg less than Silverado.

4. And don’t forget….Tundra’s big V8 has one axle ratio – a 4.3. Suck fuel much?

Hexmate Said in March 5th, 2008 @11:34 am

Mickey - Keep checking that tailgate pal because it is going to break on you. You left out the part in CP’s report about the Tundra not getting the recommendation because of all of the reliability issues it has going on. I want to see you use that cell phone when you are out cold Mick. What is all this chatter about GM being in the hole anyways? You guys been trying to read the Wallstreet Journal again? You better learn how to read those numbers first.

admin Said in March 5th, 2008 @12:50 pm

Hexmate - I want to make sure I understand you. You’re saying the Silverado-Sierra is superior to the Tundra because: 1) the Tundra’s engine had a camshaft issue and it has no reliability history, therefore the Tundra’s better performance doesn’t matter. 2) The govt. crash tests on the Tundra were only 4 stars, so it’s not really safer. 3) The Tundra doesn’t have Onstar, so the options on the GM products are better. 4) There’s no way to compare the two trucks based on price because of all the package differences, therefore the price advantage doesn’t matter. 5) The fact that Tundra owners disagree with our findings on comfort and ride prove our comparison is bogus, therefore we’re wrong. 6) We don’t have the experience or resources of C&D, therefore we’re wrong. 7) We’re extremely biased, therefore we’re wrong. Does that sum up your position? I think it’s important to sum up your position before I respond, because you have a tendency to change the subject in a fairly random manner.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 5th, 2008 @6:14 pm

HEXMATE, glad you showed up again, I thought I ran you off with my less than authentic opinions. Why would the IIHS rate the TUNDRA the Top Safety Pick if it were less safe than the CHEVY?

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 5th, 2008 @6:42 pm

HEXMATE, can you copy/paste the part in CD’s report where it says “TUNDRA not getting the recomendation because of all the reliability issues it has going on”. Unfortunately I dont think your going to see MICKEY on his cell phone if the tailgate brakes. He will prob drive it to the dealer to get it fixed so I see no logic in that statement. As far as the commercial goes I think its silly to even bring that up, because thats marketing and has nothing to do with the trucks. All auto manufacturers do this. For instance FORD claimed a towing capacity of 9,000 in 2006. In 2007 they claimed a 10,000lb towing capacity and did not change a thing on the truck. CHEVY did the “This is our country, this is our truck”

Here is a spec sheet from edmunds.com on the CHEVY.
Edmunds Type: Large Truck
Where Built: Canada/Mexico
EPA Class: Standard Pickup Trucks
Dimensions
Exterior
Length: 229.9 in. Width: 79.9 in.
Height: 73.7 in. Wheel Base: 143.5 in.
Ground Clearance: 9.1 in. Curb Weight: 5326 lbs.
Gross Weight: 7000 lbs.
Interior
Front Head Room: 41.5 in. Front Hip Room: 62.5 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 65.2 in. Rear Head Room: 40.6 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 65.2 in. Rear Hip Room: 65.5 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.3 in. Rear Leg Room: 38.7 in.
Maximum Seating: 5
Performance Data
Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 8 Base Engine Size: 5.3 liters
Base Engine Type: V8 Horsepower: 315 hp
Max Horsepower: 5200 rpm Torque: 338 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4400 rpm Maximum Payload: 1674 lbs.
Maximum Towing Capacity: 10500 lbs. Drive Type: 4WD
Turning Circle: 47.2 ft.
Fuel Data
Fuel
Fuel Tank Capacity: 26 gal.
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Automatic: : 14 mpg / 19 mpg
Range in Miles: (City/Highway)
Automatic: 364 mi. / 494 mi.
Where is the TUNDRA built?

Oh and by the way you still have not refuted any of the statements I have made, conviently changing subject once again.

Marc Said in March 7th, 2008 @9:33 pm

I love these Chevy/Ford/Dodge vs. Tundra posts. I think many of the attributes of the Tundra are superior to the Silverado - engine, towing, safety, quality, transmission. But I will be the first to admit that a similarly spec’d Silverado has a less jarring ride than my Tundra.

Toyota focused too much on making the Tundra “near heavy-duty,” for my taste, but if I put aside the ride issue there’s no contest. The 4-speed transmission was really the deal-breaker for me. Plus the offset IIHS crash test results that are more rigorous than the government tests.

Mickey Said in March 8th, 2008 @2:20 pm

Hexmate about C/R they state they will recommend what they test so where’s the test on Chevy’s 4×4? Wasn’t done I understand. Why wasn’t chevy mention?
Also As you say from the magazine Why isn’t their a rating on the 1500 on overall safety? Page 76 in Consumer Reports look it up fella if you can read!!! Crash protection you didn’t rank also. You only ranked 3 out 5 on Accident avoidance. Why is every good thing for safety on a Chevy is an option when it’s standard on a Tundra. Of those 3 I gave you now look on page 80 and you will see where Toyota out scored you. We got a 4 on overall safety, A 5 for crash protection and like you we got a 3 on accident avoidance. Now state again where’s Chevy’s safety? Don’t come on the site with your bogus “B/S” because it shows. As far as the tailgate I don’t have a problem. As I stated before The only time I leave my tailgate down when I haul something and it’s strap to it. TRUCK CHAMP that 7,000 lbs is the same as my crewmax has on the sticker for the weight of my truck. That’s why hexmate is lost in the stopping distance. Also Hexmate where’s this reference on your crash test? As far as the dump in the 4th quarter how about the NEWS. It was put out in the local and National news. Also you got to have a product that sells my friend in order to stay out of the hole. Your company reported the loss no one else did. I guess now I got your attention and I will take one of your slogan’s too I know I got “THE NEW HEARTBEAT OF AMERICA”. Marc stated it well in his statement dated March 7th.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 8th, 2008 @4:43 pm

Marc, I couldnt agree with you more. The ride on th CHEVY is better. CHEVY had to pay a big price for that ride, like you said it is not as “heavy duty”. Another big thing they had to sacrafice was ground clearence. It is very noticeable that the CHEVY rides the lowest of all the trucks, if you ever need to go off-road in a CHEVY you have to be very careful not to rip the front bumper off. I am so glad everyone stepped up and gave honest an un-biased opinions, HEXMATE is just a basher and even if he knew the TUNDRA had the edge in an overall comparison he would never admit it. I live in DETROIT and i deal with these folks everyday.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 8th, 2008 @4:50 pm

We must not forget that just because the CHEVY rides better that doesnt mean that the TUNDRA rides bad. I have driven the other trucks and would feel comfortable putting it up against them.

Mickey Said in March 8th, 2008 @7:31 pm

Truck Champ I agree my 06 Silverado did ride good. Like you said I didn’t have to climb in like I do with the Tundra. I do like my ride in this truck too. They’re things with Chevy I do like in their instument panel. Real Guages. Not this L-H or C-H stuff. Curb View mirrors and having XM factory installed. Now as far as OnStar unless you want to pay between $200-300 a year what good is it. I had Verizon run through Onstar which was a nightmare to get cancelled. You can’t cancel Verizon at Verizon. Even though you send them the payment you have to get Onstar to cancel it. Good Luck in that. Took over 4 months and Verizon threatening you for not paying and countless calls and hearing Onstar say It’s taken care of was ridiculous. Afetr going through that mess I could care less about Onstar. I have a cell phone enough said.

Hexmate Said in March 19th, 2008 @6:21 am

Well let’s see what the Tundra Twits have been up to while we have been gone racin.

Admin - you respond to my questions and I’ll respond to yours. Talk about switching up every chance you get. Remember the focus was on bias and facts versus innuendo. You don’t want to deal with the facts and the data. What are your credentials that qualify you to dispute the C/D data?

Champ - You obviously have some reading and comprehension issues since you don’t follow any of the information in the posts so it is rather pointless to try and carry on with the discussion. Marketing? How about integrity. American made? May be made here but all the money goes back to Japan - think about it Champ!

Mickey - You obviously don’t want to hear about the flex problem so there is no point in pursuing that issue or for that matter comparing your old truck to a new truck.

Have a nice day boys and thanks for the posts!

admin Said in March 19th, 2008 @2:46 pm

Hexmate - get a life.

Mickey Said in March 19th, 2008 @6:06 pm

Hexmate I can’t help you that you live where the roads are just as bad as the flex problem. That’s not my problem. I don’t have it so why should I sweat it. I didn’t hear you coming to my side the 8x the headliner fell or the 2x the tail lights fell off or the abs problem. SO don’t give me your famous B/S. You want to believe the only mag that follows your ideas. The are more than one out there and the different in opinions. So why did the Farmers give Tundra the top honor? Ohh let’s not go to another mag now. One thing you will have to understand there’s a new truck in town. So sorry yours can’t be the one. If your people would build a better truck maybe I mean just maybe people would buy it. Admin hexmate can’t get a life because he’s obsessed with the fact that another truck beat out his brand.

TRUCK CHAMP Said in March 19th, 2008 @6:09 pm

HEXMATE- The only reason you will not respond to what I say is because of the ovewhelming evidence against you. I dont know how many times you have mentioned the C/D thing but I am over it. Either bring something new to the table or go race your slow, ugly overpriced terd i call CHEVY.

Mickey Said in March 21st, 2008 @5:41 pm

Truck Champ he can’t. Even with C/R he would still have issues. He found a mag that follows his ideas and swares by it.

Hexmate Said in March 25th, 2008 @12:06 pm

Admin - You couldn’t respond to my note so you wrote that drivel message? Is that because you couldn’t provide an answer?

Champ – Thanks for confirming my assumption for me. You lived up to my expectations perfectly.

Mickey – It doesn’t matter where you live you will have the flex problem but we’ll never hear that from you because you’ll never tell the truth. Funny how none of the Tundra problems are an issue with you guys.

admin Said in March 26th, 2008 @11:55 am

Hexmate - you’re tactics are called “trolling”. You’re here to denigrate and insult - nothing more. Your first comment accused us of not driving the trucks - as if we’d perform a comparison like this and NEVER drive a truck. It’s ridiculous. Next, you state that we’re biased because of our perspective. Maybe so, but considering we did a lot to bring the Tundra’s bed bounce problem to light, I think that we’re TRYING to be even handed. Maybe we could do better, but I still believe our comparison was factual. Third, you say that because we didn’t find the same results as C&D, we must be wrong. Or biased. Or unqualified. Isn’t it possible that we simply have a different opinion? Isn’t it possible that C&D might be wrong??! Heaven forbid. My qualifications are fixing and selling vehicles for about 10 years - my partner has more than 25 years of experience doing the same. I’ve owned a Silverado, and F150, and a Tundra, and I liked them all. Chevy makes a great truck (if you look at the comparison, you’ll see that we said that). I also have an engineering degree from the Colorado School of Mines, a well-known engineering school in the Rocky Mountains. No, I’m not an editor of a major magazine. I’m not an experienced race car driver. I doubt I have the knowledge or experience of a lot of people at C&D. Do you? Despite my “lack of qualifications”, I’ve managed to help create a website that people like and respect. What exactly have you done? What makes you qualified to insult me? Finally, when I try to get you to stand by your accusations, you back up faster than a crawfish. You respond with something akin to “I asked you first!” - it’s like arguing with a 2 year old. If only I had realized you don’t argue with a 2 year old 10 comments ago. There’s an hour of my life I’ll never get back. Thanks for wasting my time.

Mickey Said in March 26th, 2008 @1:52 pm

Hexmate let’s put a spin on it. Maybe you don’t have any problems and you just want to beat down a product. I can’t help it if you’re P/O at Toyota but that doesn’t mean that I have to have the same problems as you. As you note the mileage on my truck in the short time I owned it. I use my truck. If I didn’t complain about a vehicle problem why would I lose $7000 in trade in of that crap Chevy that was constantly having issues when I had it for 16 months. If I’m not right it was in the shop 18x in 16 months go figure. SO don’t give me your crap about I won’t tell the truth. As displeased I was with the Chevy there were still things I liked about it that I wish Toyota would do. Like you I wasn’t going to stick around and not complain about it. How would you like to go to 2 other dealerships besides your own and look at the same truck and see 1 out 3 at one, 2 out of 3 at the other two dealerships with the problem and they were selling them brand new with the DEFECT. Then the salesmanger tells you we have a great warranty to fix them when the customer sees the problem. In that sentence right there which I put down word for word what was told to me by the manager spells it out DEFRAUD. Knowing a defect and still selling them without disclosure of the defect is Defrauding the public. So why should I stay with a company which I went to school for and worked for when I see this. SO what if I wanted to try something New. I wanted a new start because my last 4 were very bad in vehicles I bought. I’m sorry I can’t agree with you. Just because you say doesn’t mean I have. If you don’t like your Tundra by all means get rid of it and quit complaining. I did on the chevy and Ford. If you are that serious about the problems then quit beating the brow and move on.

Hexmate Said in April 3rd, 2008 @9:58 am

Admin – Thanks for your comments! I have no idea what you are talking about when you say I’m “trolling” because I have no need to catch a troll, but if the shoe fits wear it. You may drive trucks but which trucks, how many miles, under what circumstances and in what environment? No data just innuendo. You are biased and that is exactly the way your story is written and presented as if it is totally factual. It is self-serving and obviously so. I have pointed out numerous problems with the Tundra to which you danced around as “little,” or “small,” or not very “significant”, or “we don’t know big the problem is.” I’m a crawfish? That must make you the king of the flip-flop! I told you, you should run for political office. Your comparison is simply based on some statistical comparison and nothing else, “pass – fail” you called it, but that is a very myopic and subjective comparison. We already know people don’t buy those vehicles on that basis alone. C&D might be wrong - but you of course, you are infallible based on your comments yet you have no experience, no credentials, no qualifications to make the statements you have made. You took plenty of cheap shots along the way that you seem to have developed some state of amnesia about, but you want to convey that you were gracious toward the GM products. Your characterization of my behavior is rather interesting, if you read what you wrote I think you just turned the tables on yourself. You have an engineering degree but you are not an automotive engineer. You are a mechanic and salesman? So this is a marketing ploy! Glad you chose to expose it for what it is. You wrote it and put it out there on the web so if you weren’t prepared for any criticism than you shouldn’t have put it on the web. If you can’t take it don’t dish it out. It makes you look like a shill for Toyota! Thanks for sharing and have great day!

Andrew Said in June 20th, 2008 @2:29 pm

I am still happy that I bought a Chevrolet Silverado Z-71, almost 300,000 miles on this one and this would be my 3rd Chevrolet Truck with similar miles.