Comments on: Tundra vs Sierra-Silverado Part Three: Ride, Handling, and Comfort http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/ Toyota Tundra News, Reviews, Accessories, and Information Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:50:07 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Mickey http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10376 Mickey Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:47:18 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10376 Again I ask HEXMATE who has a better resale??????? You see selling so many doesn't make the best truck out there. Could it be that it's the cheapest truck out there? Hence why the resale isn't that good? Now if your truck is so good why didn't Consumer Reports pick the Silverado??? Again I ask HEXMATE who has a better resale??????? You see selling so many doesn’t make the best truck out there. Could it be that it’s the cheapest truck out there? Hence why the resale isn’t that good? Now if your truck is so good why didn’t Consumer Reports pick the Silverado???

]]> By: Mickey http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10375 Mickey Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:40:13 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10375 Jason #1 hit the spot right on..... As for #2, I guess I can say the ame as Hexmate with 40 years. #3 I'll wait for the response/excuse he has alot of them. #4 is right on also. #5 He's waiting for you to do like Consumer Reports did give him a top rating without testing the GM truck. #6 Justin would have a field day with Hexmate on that. #7 & 8 are about the same I did find #8 funny but you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Also for #8 he forgot how the Union would do for GM at their plant if this happened. #9 all you have to do is either go visit or watch the commercials and see what deals are going down. I'm not sure but why is it that Ford and GM have to use big names to help sell their stuff? But Hexmate can you say you owned all 3 Ford, GM, and Toyota in a 4 year time span? So having a test drive is about as far as you went. I owned and drove them so I can tell you exactly about each one of them. Yes that's an anecdote on my case. But I actually owned them you haven't. I dealt with the issues with each at the customer service. I can tell you which ones took you for a ride. Yes that's anecdotal. I can give Ford & Toyota at least didn't ask me if I owned another vehicle from that manufacturer. Jason #1 hit the spot right on….. As for #2, I guess I can say the ame as Hexmate with 40 years. #3 I’ll wait for the response/excuse he has alot of them. #4 is right on also. #5 He’s waiting for you to do like Consumer Reports did give him a top rating without testing the GM truck. #6 Justin would have a field day with Hexmate on that. #7 & 8 are about the same I did find #8 funny but you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. Also for #8 he forgot how the Union would do for GM at their plant if this happened. #9 all you have to do is either go visit or watch the commercials and see what deals are going down. I’m not sure but why is it that Ford and GM have to use big names to help sell their stuff? But Hexmate can you say you owned all 3 Ford, GM, and Toyota in a 4 year time span? So having a test drive is about as far as you went. I owned and drove them so I can tell you exactly about each one of them. Yes that’s an anecdote on my case. But I actually owned them you haven’t. I dealt with the issues with each at the customer service. I can tell you which ones took you for a ride. Yes that’s anecdotal. I can give Ford & Toyota at least didn’t ask me if I owned another vehicle from that manufacturer.

]]> By: Admin (Jason) http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10364 Admin (Jason) Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:15:37 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10364 Hexmate - In order: ### 1. I'm quoted as a source in the article on the frame rust. As for the web stats, you can make what you want from them. At least now you've acknowledged that I'm good at something. Keep in mind that I've only been a professional web marketer for 3 years....if THIS is what I've managed to accomplish in 3 short years, imagine what my 10 years of auto experience were like. :-) ### 2. You call me "sophmoric" and say that your 40 years of experience beats my 10. Am I to understand you've been selling, fixing, driving, testing, and/or critically evaluating vehicles for all 40 of these years? When did you find time to fly helicopters in Vietnam? ### 3. Follow-up: Please tell me where I can find articles that you've published, journalists that have cited you as a source, etc. I'd love to see them. ### 4. You accuse me of using anecdotes to prove MY points, yet the comparison that was written nearly 2 years ago does a pretty good job of explaining why one truck was better than the other. What anecdotal evidence did we rely upon to show the Tundra had more power, a better transmission, better safety, and is a better value? ### 5. Here are some more gracious comments about the Silverado "One of the great things about today’s truck market is that there are no bad trucks…every option available (Ford, Dodge, Chevy/GMC, and Nissan) is excellent...if you’re looking for a truck that rides and handles well, is affordable, offers 20mpg fuel economy, and if you don’t mind being a little slower and less powerful than some other trucks, a case can be made for the 5.3L Silverado or Sierra." You'll notice that those comments appeared in the original article. There's nothing new about my tone sir. ### 6. Popularity does not equal best. Never has. Of all people, you - a Vietnam vet - should be able to recognize that popular opinion is often worthless. I can't begin to appreciate the crap that Vietnam vets likely endured as a result of popular opinion. How YOU can use popular opinion as the basis of your argument is beyond me. Don't get me wrong - hundreds of thousands of people don't buy crap - but to say that one vehicle is better than another simply because of sales figures overlooks dozens of other factors. ### 6. Your info on sales figures is incorrect. If you want to add Sierra and Silverado together, be my guest. Of course, if you do that, you should probably allow Ford to merge all their truck lines as well. Either way, Ford comes out on top. You can read up on the facts here (by the way, you should have done that BEFORE you told me I was an idiot). http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/11/ford-and-dodge-trucks-gain-market-share-in-2009.html ### 7. Please point me to the anecdotal evidence I used in the comparison. ### 8. Only you, Hexmate, would argue with me when I'm actually agreeing WITH you. The Tundra's share is sliding, no question. As for your statement that stopping and starting production - or operating at a reduced capacity - is costly, you're half right. Toyota, unlike most manufacturers, actually PRACTICES production speed changes so that costs remain steady. http://www.asq.org/qualitynews/qnt/execute/displaySetup?newsID=6403 ### 9. As for my claim that Tundra incentives were lower than those offered by GM and Chrysler, I can't back that up with specific data. My connections in the auto industry (dealers in particular) were quite vocal about this fact this time last year while they watched their Tundras sit on their lots. However, in terms of aggregate data, GM and Chrysler offered more incentives than any other manufacturer in the months leading up to their bankruptcies. See this data from August 08 (when their fall began). http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/09/edmundscom-estimates-august-incentives-scarcely-down-from-2008-high-point.html ### 10. I'm not going to engage you on any new points that aren't covered in the article at the top of the page. If you want to talk about unintended acceleration, you know where those articles are. Hexmate – In order:
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1. I’m quoted as a source in the article on the frame rust. As for the web stats, you can make what you want from them. At least now you’ve acknowledged that I’m good at something. Keep in mind that I’ve only been a professional web marketer for 3 years….if THIS is what I’ve managed to accomplish in 3 short years, imagine what my 10 years of auto experience were like. :-)
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2. You call me “sophmoric” and say that your 40 years of experience beats my 10. Am I to understand you’ve been selling, fixing, driving, testing, and/or critically evaluating vehicles for all 40 of these years? When did you find time to fly helicopters in Vietnam?
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3. Follow-up: Please tell me where I can find articles that you’ve published, journalists that have cited you as a source, etc. I’d love to see them.
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4. You accuse me of using anecdotes to prove MY points, yet the comparison that was written nearly 2 years ago does a pretty good job of explaining why one truck was better than the other. What anecdotal evidence did we rely upon to show the Tundra had more power, a better transmission, better safety, and is a better value?
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5. Here are some more gracious comments about the Silverado “One of the great things about today’s truck market is that there are no bad trucks…every option available (Ford, Dodge, Chevy/GMC, and Nissan) is excellent…if you’re looking for a truck that rides and handles well, is affordable, offers 20mpg fuel economy, and if you don’t mind being a little slower and less powerful than some other trucks, a case can be made for the 5.3L Silverado or Sierra.” You’ll notice that those comments appeared in the original article. There’s nothing new about my tone sir.
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6. Popularity does not equal best. Never has. Of all people, you – a Vietnam vet – should be able to recognize that popular opinion is often worthless. I can’t begin to appreciate the crap that Vietnam vets likely endured as a result of popular opinion. How YOU can use popular opinion as the basis of your argument is beyond me. Don’t get me wrong – hundreds of thousands of people don’t buy crap – but to say that one vehicle is better than another simply because of sales figures overlooks dozens of other factors.
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6. Your info on sales figures is incorrect. If you want to add Sierra and Silverado together, be my guest. Of course, if you do that, you should probably allow Ford to merge all their truck lines as well. Either way, Ford comes out on top. You can read up on the facts here (by the way, you should have done that BEFORE you told me I was an idiot). http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2.....-2009.html
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7. Please point me to the anecdotal evidence I used in the comparison.
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8. Only you, Hexmate, would argue with me when I’m actually agreeing WITH you. The Tundra’s share is sliding, no question. As for your statement that stopping and starting production – or operating at a reduced capacity – is costly, you’re half right. Toyota, unlike most manufacturers, actually PRACTICES production speed changes so that costs remain steady. http://www.asq.org/qualitynews.....ewsID=6403
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9. As for my claim that Tundra incentives were lower than those offered by GM and Chrysler, I can’t back that up with specific data. My connections in the auto industry (dealers in particular) were quite vocal about this fact this time last year while they watched their Tundras sit on their lots. However, in terms of aggregate data, GM and Chrysler offered more incentives than any other manufacturer in the months leading up to their bankruptcies. See this data from August 08 (when their fall began).
http://www.autoobserver.com/20.....point.html
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10. I’m not going to engage you on any new points that aren’t covered in the article at the top of the page. If you want to talk about unintended acceleration, you know where those articles are.

]]> By: Hexmate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10363 Hexmate Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:44:36 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10363 Jason said: “Our comparison could have been better. True – no disputing that. Everything could be better – all it takes is money. As I said before, if you’d like to help out and send us a check, I’ll gladly cash it. HOWEVER, your assertion that our limited resources means our conclusions are somehow automatically wrong is false. Our comparison matched up reasonably well with others – the C&D comparo you cited, along with this one from PickupTrucks.com. Still, you are correct in that we could have done more. Socre another point for Hexmate.” Jason I couldn’t have said it better myself. No donations though. You fund your own operation. Jason said: “Our comparison could have been better. True – no disputing that. Everything could be better – all it takes is money. As I said before, if you’d like to help out and send us a check, I’ll gladly cash it. HOWEVER, your assertion that our limited resources means our conclusions are somehow automatically wrong is false. Our comparison matched up reasonably well with others – the C&D comparo you cited, along with this one from PickupTrucks.com. Still, you are correct in that we could have done more. Socre another point for Hexmate.”

Jason I couldn’t have said it better myself. No donations though. You fund your own operation.

]]> By: Hexmate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10360 Hexmate Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:43:56 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10360 Jason said: “The Tundra’s market share is sliding. This is true. Part of the reason is that Toyota was intentionally limiting production (http://www.tundraheadquarters......roduction/) to reduce incentives. Part of the slide in share is that GM and Chrysler offered huge discounts on the Ram and Silverado prior to their bankruptcies. Part of this is the success of the F150. Still you are correct in that the Tundra isn’t as popular as it once was. So score one for you. Of course, please note that popularity was never cited in the original article at the top of this page.” Jason the Tundra market share is tanking! All of the manufacturers were limiting production by closing plants, reducing shifts, etc. To claim Toyota did this to reduce incentives is rather risqué since those with manufacturing experience know how costly and inefficient it is to start and stop an assembly plant or run it in an under capacity mode. Tundra had a $3000 incentive on the hood too – I’d call that a rather huge discount but… ooops! That would be another anecdote! I know Jason we have already established that you want to declare the Tundra is the best truck but that again is based on YOUR anecdotal data. Remember Jason the customer votes with their wallet which is a different concept than the one you are applying. San Antonia might be able to run more efficiently once Toyota closes NUMMI and moves Tacoma production into the plant since Tacoma is actually selling better than Tundra. Jason said: “The Tundra’s market share is sliding. This is true. Part of the reason is that Toyota was intentionally limiting production (http://www.tundraheadquarters&.....roduction/) to reduce incentives. Part of the slide in share is that GM and Chrysler offered huge discounts on the Ram and Silverado prior to their bankruptcies. Part of this is the success of the F150. Still you are correct in that the Tundra isn’t as popular as it once was. So score one for you. Of course, please note that popularity was never cited in the original article at the top of this page.”

Jason the Tundra market share is tanking! All of the manufacturers were limiting production by closing plants, reducing shifts, etc. To claim Toyota did this to reduce incentives is rather risqué since those with manufacturing experience know how costly and inefficient it is to start and stop an assembly plant or run it in an under capacity mode. Tundra had a $3000 incentive on the hood too – I’d call that a rather huge discount but… ooops! That would be another anecdote! I know Jason we have already established that you want to declare the Tundra is the best truck but that again is based on YOUR anecdotal data. Remember Jason the customer votes with their wallet which is a different concept than the one you are applying.

San Antonia might be able to run more efficiently once Toyota closes NUMMI and moves Tacoma production into the plant since Tacoma is actually selling better than Tundra.

]]> By: Hexmate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10359 Hexmate Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:09:55 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10359 Jason said: “Also, as I predicted, you’ve introduced yet ANOTHER argument in regards to why the Tundra is bad, citing the NHTSA unintended acceleration investigation and Toyota’s voluntary recall. If you want to engage me on those points, pick one of the following posts: http://www.tundraheadquarters......call-ever/ http://www.tundraheadquarters......r-upgrade/ I’m happy to argue those points there, but I’m not going to accept any new arguments here. Let’s stick to the main point – the Tundra is a better truck than the Silverado: pro and con.” Jason you are dodging the issue again but I’m not surprised you are using this tactic. Oh and you used another anecdotal statement. I thought you didn’t do that? Jason said: “Also, as I predicted, you’ve introduced yet ANOTHER argument in regards to why the Tundra is bad, citing the NHTSA unintended acceleration investigation and Toyota’s voluntary recall. If you want to engage me on those points, pick one of the following posts:
http://www.tundraheadquarters&.....call-ever/
http://www.tundraheadquarters&.....r-upgrade/
I’m happy to argue those points there, but I’m not going to accept any new arguments here. Let’s stick to the main point – the Tundra is a better truck than the Silverado: pro and con.”

Jason you are dodging the issue again but I’m not surprised you are using this tactic. Oh and you used another anecdotal statement. I thought you didn’t do that?

]]> By: Hexmate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10358 Hexmate Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:06:39 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10358 Jason said: "When I told you I wasn’t going to respond to anecdotes as evidence, you said “Well Jason it is obvious that when you are cornered you choose to retreat since you have nothing to offer in rebuttal.” Nope. The problem is that anecdotes aren’t useful evidence. Anecdotes are inherently irrefutable because they’re experiential. No matter what story you tell, I don’t know who these people are and therefore I can’t speak to their experience. Anecdotes are also very, very easy to fabricate. If you really want a “challenge,” learn how to argue intelligently without relying upon the old “I know a guy who told me that…” For all you know, the anecdotes you site as “evidence” were created by liars. You can’t prove that they’re true, can you? So it is okay for you to use anecdotes but if anyone else does then that is blasphemy? That would be a double standard Jason and I thought you were above using something like that; apparently not. I think it has been established that this site is predicated on anecdotal information. One can only assume Jason that your site is suspect since that is how you defined or classified anecdotes. Jason said: “When I told you I wasn’t going to respond to anecdotes as evidence, you said “Well Jason it is obvious that when you are cornered you choose to retreat since you have nothing to offer in rebuttal.” Nope. The problem is that anecdotes aren’t useful evidence. Anecdotes are inherently irrefutable because they’re experiential. No matter what story you tell, I don’t know who these people are and therefore I can’t speak to their experience. Anecdotes are also very, very easy to fabricate. If you really want a “challenge,” learn how to argue intelligently without relying upon the old “I know a guy who told me that…” For all you know, the anecdotes you site as “evidence” were created by liars. You can’t prove that they’re true, can you?

So it is okay for you to use anecdotes but if anyone else does then that is blasphemy? That would be a double standard Jason and I thought you were above using something like that; apparently not. I think it has been established that this site is predicated on anecdotal information. One can only assume Jason that your site is suspect since that is how you defined or classified anecdotes.

]]> By: Hexmate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10357 Hexmate Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:59:37 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10357 Jason said: “By the way, Hexmate, if it did, your little pickup wouldn’t even come close to the big dog in sales (which is the F150).” This is exactly what I mean Jason when I point out you lack credibility. This will establish who the big dog is. What's the best-selling light-duty pickup truck in America? You say the Ford F-150? Not according to the J.D. Power Information Network (PickupTrucks.com), General Motors sold more Chevy Silverado 1500 pickups (119,959 units) in June than Ford sold F-150s (107,778 units), and that's not a fluke. Automakers don't actually break out the sales of each pickup line when reporting overall figures. Ford lumps all F-Series (F-150, F-250, F-350...) sales together when it lays claim to the title of Best-Selling Pickup Line in America. Ford's Super Duty series commands nearly 50-percent of the HD pickup market, which puts the Blue Oval on top of the overall sales race. Interestingly, all three American automakers picked up full-size pickup market share at the expense of Nissan and ESPECIALLY Toyota, which saw sales of its Tundra plummet from 76,516 units to just 36,106 units in June of 2009 compared to one year ago. If you bother to look at October YTD sales data you will see that Sierra sold over 91K trucks outpacing Tundra (64K0, and by the way you have to add that to the GM total just like you did in your title for this page because after all those sales and the proceeds go to GM. Hmm… that is contrary to your comment. Now if that makes the Silverado a LITTLE pickup then what does that say about Tundra using your analogy? Jason said: “By the way, Hexmate, if it did, your little pickup wouldn’t even come close to the big dog in sales (which is the F150).”

This is exactly what I mean Jason when I point out you lack credibility. This will establish who the big dog is.

What’s the best-selling light-duty pickup truck in America? You say the Ford F-150? Not according to the J.D. Power Information Network (PickupTrucks.com), General Motors sold more Chevy Silverado 1500 pickups (119,959 units) in June than Ford sold F-150s (107,778 units), and that’s not a fluke.

Automakers don’t actually break out the sales of each pickup line when reporting overall figures. Ford lumps all F-Series (F-150, F-250, F-350…) sales together when it lays claim to the title of Best-Selling Pickup Line in America. Ford’s Super Duty series commands nearly 50-percent of the HD pickup market, which puts the Blue Oval on top of the overall sales race.

Interestingly, all three American automakers picked up full-size pickup market share at the expense of Nissan and ESPECIALLY Toyota, which saw sales of its Tundra plummet from 76,516 units to just 36,106 units in June of 2009 compared to one year ago.

If you bother to look at October YTD sales data you will see that Sierra sold over 91K trucks outpacing Tundra (64K0, and by the way you have to add that to the GM total just like you did in your title for this page because after all those sales and the proceeds go to GM. Hmm… that is contrary to your comment. Now if that makes the Silverado a LITTLE pickup then what does that say about Tundra using your analogy?

]]> By: Hexmate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10356 Hexmate Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:42:43 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10356 You said “you think people buy a product because they want a second rate truck?” Obviously not. However, just because 1000’s of people think something is good doesn’t mean that it really is. I’m not sure what they taught YOU in school, but I learned that “everyone else is doing it” isn’t a valid argument for anything. Popularity in sales does not mean that the most popular item is best. Well Jason you lack of experience and knowledge is showing again. This statement says that people by products like the Aztec. I don’t think so. You said “you think people buy a product because they want a second rate truck?” Obviously not. However, just because 1000’s of people think something is good doesn’t mean that it really is. I’m not sure what they taught YOU in school, but I learned that “everyone else is doing it” isn’t a valid argument for anything. Popularity in sales does not mean that the most popular item is best.

Well Jason you lack of experience and knowledge is showing again. This statement says that people by products like the Aztec. I don’t think so.

]]> By: Hexmate http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/comment-page-4/#comment-10355 Hexmate Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:39:56 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-three-ride-handling-and-comfort/#comment-10355 Jason said: “I think I’d also like to know what makes you qualified to argue with me – have you extensively driven and tested both a Tundra and a Silverado? I’ve been driving pickups for more than a decade (all kinds), and you don’t see me telling everyone the Silverado is a POS the way you’re pissing all over the Tundra. Chevy makes a good truck – I’ve been saying that since day one – I just think the Tundra is better because of it’s better engine, transmission, brakes, safety, and pricing (as well as some other misc. interior and exterior features).” 40 years of experience Jason. Jason I only pointed out the flaws discovered in the Tundra and you took that as an attack on your precious truck that spurred you on to become very defensive. I really think you have overreacted to my comments about the Tundra and I chuckle at your gracious comments about the Chevy. Is that an attempt to bring some semblance of fair handedness to your commentary? Obviously your last sentence is VERY anecdotal and I thought you wouldn’t participate in that type of discussion. Jason said: “I think I’d also like to know what makes you qualified to argue with me – have you extensively driven and tested both a Tundra and a Silverado? I’ve been driving pickups for more than a decade (all kinds), and you don’t see me telling everyone the Silverado is a POS the way you’re pissing all over the Tundra. Chevy makes a good truck – I’ve been saying that since day one – I just think the Tundra is better because of it’s better engine, transmission, brakes, safety, and pricing (as well as some other misc. interior and exterior features).”

40 years of experience Jason. Jason I only pointed out the flaws discovered in the Tundra and you took that as an attack on your precious truck that spurred you on to become very defensive. I really think you have overreacted to my comments about the Tundra and I chuckle at your gracious comments about the Chevy. Is that an attempt to bring some semblance of fair handedness to your commentary? Obviously your last sentence is VERY anecdotal and I thought you wouldn’t participate in that type of discussion.

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