Comments on: Tundra vs Sierra-Silverado Part Two: Features and Pricing http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/ Toyota Tundra News, Reviews, Accessories, and Information Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:11:08 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Mickey http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-10694 Mickey Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:40:25 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-10694 Ditto Jason he reads when he wants too. Didn't notice that it was back in March of 2008 when the Diesel HD version for Toyota was still in the plans. But that's okay hence your sentence Jason how can you take him seriously. Ditto Jason he reads when he wants too. Didn’t notice that it was back in March of 2008 when the Diesel HD version for Toyota was still in the plans. But that’s okay hence your sentence Jason how can you take him seriously.

]]> By: Admin (Jason) http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-10688 Admin (Jason) Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:13:43 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-10688 Anonymous comments are hard to take seriously. Anonymous comments are hard to take seriously.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-10674 Anonymous Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:20:43 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-10674 Who wrote these reviews, I have rtead a lot of them from Edmund to motor trend and this ranks up with Trucktrend saying a Tundra is better at towing then a HD of another manufacture. Who ever wrote this must know the trucktrend editor. Show me a Toyota that can tow 18k-24k. Mickey wrote: Tundra will have a diesel out by 2010. It will out tow the HD Duramax. Where is it? Oh that's right there is more important issue to workout before dreaming of trying to make a HD. How's that frame, no issues with the gas pedal I hope. That's ruff. Can't make a frame for a 1/2 ton no way are they ready for the big boys! Who wrote these reviews, I have rtead a lot of them from Edmund to motor trend and this ranks up with Trucktrend saying a Tundra is better at towing then a HD of another manufacture. Who ever wrote this must know the trucktrend editor. Show me a Toyota that can tow 18k-24k.

Mickey wrote: Tundra will have a diesel out by 2010. It will out tow the HD Duramax. Where is it? Oh that’s right there is more important issue to workout before dreaming of trying to make a HD. How’s that frame, no issues with the gas pedal I hope. That’s ruff. Can’t make a frame for a 1/2 ton no way are they ready for the big boys!

]]> By: Ramon http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-5456 Ramon Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:56:43 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-5456 GMC SIERRA!!! GMC SIERRA!!!

]]> By: music http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-4726 music Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:18:50 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-4726 I ended up buying a GMC Sierra Crew cab, since it best suited my particular needs, wants and price. After doing so, I discovered that the GM "stabilitrak" system DOES include traction control. So my statement about it being a "one or the other" feature was a bit off. My current truck has the locking rear differential, traction control and stability control. It seems to me that I would have to disable traction control (via the button) for the locking rear diff to engage, but I'm not really sure? I do know this, in auto-4wd mode on steep, freshly wet, slick pavement... if I punch it at low speed going uphill, there's no slippage. I can't tell what engages or how... but it's amazingly quick and efficient, whatever it is. I'm not writing this to brag on the GMC, just to correct my earlier post. (I remembered it!) I've read that most (all?) GM trucks will have "stabilitrak" starting in 2009, but I haven't confirmed it. I ended up buying a GMC Sierra Crew cab, since it best suited my particular needs, wants and price. After doing so, I discovered that the GM “stabilitrak” system DOES include traction control. So my statement about it being a “one or the other” feature was a bit off. My current truck has the locking rear differential, traction control and stability control. It seems to me that I would have to disable traction control (via the button) for the locking rear diff to engage, but I’m not really sure? I do know this, in auto-4wd mode on steep, freshly wet, slick pavement… if I punch it at low speed going uphill, there’s no slippage. I can’t tell what engages or how… but it’s amazingly quick and efficient, whatever it is.

I’m not writing this to brag on the GMC, just to correct my earlier post. (I remembered it!) I’ve read that most (all?) GM trucks will have “stabilitrak” starting in 2009, but I haven’t confirmed it.

]]> By: admin http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3045 admin Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:14:38 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3045 All good points - it's nice to have an intelligent discourse on this post. TC seems better than a locking diff - nearly the same results in most situations, but increased safety with the TC system. But, just like the 4WD AWD argument, they both have their strong points. All good points – it’s nice to have an intelligent discourse on this post. TC seems better than a locking diff – nearly the same results in most situations, but increased safety with the TC system. But, just like the 4WD AWD argument, they both have their strong points.

]]> By: Music http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3035 Music Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:11:27 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3035 admin - Thanks for replying. I just re-read my post, and realized that I had an error. The Tundra hasn't yet been tested by the NHTSA for side impact, so that was a "slip of the mind" on my part. The GMC has been tested, and received 5-stars front and side, with and without side-curtain airbags. I completely agree that these should be standard equipment, and also feel that good headrests should be standard at all seating positions. As for traction control, that isn't so straightforward. The locking differential that GM uses is very good, but traction control would defeat it's actuation. It's a "one or the other" sort of thing. I cannot understand why GM only puts stability control on their crew-cab as "standard". It probably has to do with most buyers opting for the 4WD model, which has "Auto 4WD" mode. Nonetheless, stability control should be standard on all vehicles. Honda is leading the way for the masses with their "safety for everyone" campaign, which I am happy to see. admin – Thanks for replying. I just re-read my post, and realized that I had an error. The Tundra hasn’t yet been tested by the NHTSA for side impact, so that was a “slip of the mind” on my part. The GMC has been tested, and received 5-stars front and side, with and without side-curtain airbags. I completely agree that these should be standard equipment, and also feel that good headrests should be standard at all seating positions. As for traction control, that isn’t so straightforward. The locking differential that GM uses is very good, but traction control would defeat it’s actuation. It’s a “one or the other” sort of thing. I cannot understand why GM only puts stability control on their crew-cab as “standard”. It probably has to do with most buyers opting for the 4WD model, which has “Auto 4WD” mode. Nonetheless, stability control should be standard on all vehicles. Honda is leading the way for the masses with their “safety for everyone” campaign, which I am happy to see.

]]> By: admin http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3027 admin Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:12:20 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3027 Music - Good points. I disagree that AWD is better than 4WD. Some people need that locking front diff. on their trucks when they're off-road. However, most people most of the time will find AWD better (but not substantially so). The NHTSA side impact test results for the GMC must be very new, as they weren't available when this comparison was written (or at least we didn't see them). There's definitely an advantage in side air bags and side air curtains, but the difference probably isn't as substantial as we stated. Our bias here is that traction control, EBD, and stability control systems are cheap and highly effective. Failing to offer a vehicle with these options is hard to understand...it's a few hundred dollars worth of parts and it could save someone's life. In any case, point taken. Thank you. Music – Good points. I disagree that AWD is better than 4WD. Some people need that locking front diff. on their trucks when they’re off-road. However, most people most of the time will find AWD better (but not substantially so). The NHTSA side impact test results for the GMC must be very new, as they weren’t available when this comparison was written (or at least we didn’t see them). There’s definitely an advantage in side air bags and side air curtains, but the difference probably isn’t as substantial as we stated. Our bias here is that traction control, EBD, and stability control systems are cheap and highly effective. Failing to offer a vehicle with these options is hard to understand…it’s a few hundred dollars worth of parts and it could save someone’s life. In any case, point taken. Thank you.

]]> By: Music http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3023 Music Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:08:42 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-3023 I’ve been truck shopping for a while lately, and have a few comments regarding safety between the two trucks.

“Standard traction control (not even available on the GM trucks)”. Partly true, but only because GMC has a true locking differential (rather than traction control) as an option. Additionally, GMC has true all-wheel-drive mode on their 4×4 model, which Toyota does not.

“The 00-06 GM models scored “marginal” in their last IIHS tests… At the very least, it’s common sense that the Tundra is substantially safer in a side impact.” This is a biased statement, especially since the new GMC-900 body hasn’t been tested by the IIHS. The NHTS result of 5-stars for side impact “without side airbags” shows just how strong the GM cage is. Tundra received 4-stars WITH side air bags. For folks considering a crew-cab truck, the GMC comes standard with stability control, and from what I’ve read, it works excellent. I agree completely that Toyota has done great in the safety department by adding these features as “standard”. I would also add that good head rests in the Tundra at all positions is much appreciated for people like me looking to haul a family. In fact, the head rests were probably more important to IIHS when assigning the Tundra the “safe pickup” award in 2008. My guess is that the GMC will come close when they finally get around to testing it, but will be hampered by lack of a head rest in the rear, center position or in the front, center flip-up console seat. Tundra has head rests and shoulder straps in ALL SIX positions of the front-bench versions.

All of this just to say that “Tundra wins by a mile” is a bit over the top. I would personally put my family in either and feel very good about their safety in a crash.

]]> By: admin http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-2797 admin Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:06:46 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/02/18/tundra-vs-sierra-silverado-part-two-features-and-pricing/#comment-2797 Ed - First of all, Consumer Reports is describing a problem that Toyota issued a recall for after most of the CR data was collected. I like CR, but their methodology is a little suspect...they use surveys from readers, but in order to publish the results they need to have a "cut off date" for these surveys. I suspect that next year the Tundra will be the recommended truck once all the bugs have been worked out and more surveys have been collected. Based on your description it sounds like you'll need to tow more than 10,000 lbs with this vehicle. If that's the case, I really can't recommend the Tundra. I think it's better to tow that much weight with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. They weigh more, they tend to have stiffer, stronger suspensions. Don't get me wrong - the Tundra will tow up to the weight it's rated for (and probably a little more) with ease. But if your trailer weighs substantially more, it would be unwise to tow with a vehicle that's not rated for the load. I'm glad our article could help. Ed – First of all, Consumer Reports is describing a problem that Toyota issued a recall for after most of the CR data was collected. I like CR, but their methodology is a little suspect…they use surveys from readers, but in order to publish the results they need to have a “cut off date” for these surveys. I suspect that next year the Tundra will be the recommended truck once all the bugs have been worked out and more surveys have been collected. Based on your description it sounds like you’ll need to tow more than 10,000 lbs with this vehicle. If that’s the case, I really can’t recommend the Tundra. I think it’s better to tow that much weight with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. They weigh more, they tend to have stiffer, stronger suspensions. Don’t get me wrong – the Tundra will tow up to the weight it’s rated for (and probably a little more) with ease. But if your trailer weighs substantially more, it would be unwise to tow with a vehicle that’s not rated for the load. I’m glad our article could help.

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