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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/04/28/should-in-car-alcohol-detection-systems-be-mandatory/#comment-8728</link>
		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deanna - Thanks for commenting. I agree that drinking and driving is absolutely without a doubt something no one should do. I also agree that privacy concerns (whatever they *might* b) should never outweigh the safety of the rest of the people on the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deanna &#8211; Thanks for commenting. I agree that drinking and driving is absolutely without a doubt something no one should do. I also agree that privacy concerns (whatever they *might* b) should never outweigh the safety of the rest of the people on the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
		<link>http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2008/04/28/should-in-car-alcohol-detection-systems-be-mandatory/#comment-8719</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok folks, you talk as if you have not opened up a newspaper and read how so so decided to drink with friends and get in their car and drive.  Now the real problem is not that they are driving...it is what the car (death machine) is going to do to anyone that the person drinking is coming into contact with.  

Personally after losing my six year old to drunk driver who drove into my fenced in yard.  I find that getting the drunk drivers off the road mandatory.  I don&#039;t care if you had one drink or ten.  If you drink, you don&#039;t drive.  If this technology can prevent someone else&#039;s kid, uncle, aunt, cousin, brother, sister, mother, father or grandparents from getting killed by some irresponsible adult who decided to drink and drive.  Then by all means, bring it.  

As for the car being an extension of your privacy.  No, it is not.  According to the law, once your in a car and everyone can see what your doing. At that point you are in the public eye and then a hazard to yourself and the community around you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok folks, you talk as if you have not opened up a newspaper and read how so so decided to drink with friends and get in their car and drive.  Now the real problem is not that they are driving&#8230;it is what the car (death machine) is going to do to anyone that the person drinking is coming into contact with.  </p>
<p>Personally after losing my six year old to drunk driver who drove into my fenced in yard.  I find that getting the drunk drivers off the road mandatory.  I don&#8217;t care if you had one drink or ten.  If you drink, you don&#8217;t drive.  If this technology can prevent someone else&#8217;s kid, uncle, aunt, cousin, brother, sister, mother, father or grandparents from getting killed by some irresponsible adult who decided to drink and drive.  Then by all means, bring it.  </p>
<p>As for the car being an extension of your privacy.  No, it is not.  According to the law, once your in a car and everyone can see what your doing. At that point you are in the public eye and then a hazard to yourself and the community around you.</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaylie - Thanks for contributing - it&#039;s good to get a qualified opinion. I never considered the impact that hand sanitizer would have on the sweat gland sensors, but I&#039;m guessing that&#039;s an automatic false-positive. Good comment - thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaylie &#8211; Thanks for contributing &#8211; it&#8217;s good to get a qualified opinion. I never considered the impact that hand sanitizer would have on the sweat gland sensors, but I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s an automatic false-positive. Good comment &#8211; thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaylie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaylie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Passive alcohol sensors DO pick up on mouthwash.  Not because you swallowed it, but because there are vapors in your mouth.  THey also pick up on hand sanitizer, and colonge/perfume/body spray.

It doesn&#039;t matter if it dissipates w/in 2 minutes...if you car is on recirculating air, where is it dissipating to? Um, it is dissipating into the air of the car...and recirculating over and over and over.  There&#039;s no where for it to go so the sensor will pick it up for MUCH longer than 2 minutes.  More like over an hour.

In addition, intoxicated backseat passengers also set off the sensor.

Oh, and if your windows are down or if the car is on fresh air, the sensor won&#039;t pick alcohol up in the air. Think about it.

I work in auto safety research and am currently working on studying a passive alcohol sensor and trying to understand what it does and does not pick up on.  It&#039;s a nice technology and maybe someday will be there...but not yet.  I&quot;m quite frustrated by it&#039;s limitations.  

Besides the blow tube (which isn&#039;t a passive sensor), I just don&#039;t see how you can have a sensor in a car that will pick up on the driver&#039;s alcohol-laden breath, but not the passengers&#039;, and not non-imbibed substances like mouthwash or hand sanitizer or cologne.  

Maybe getting morons to stop drinking and driving - or outfitting cars with a breathalyzer and free alternate rides home - would work better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Passive alcohol sensors DO pick up on mouthwash.  Not because you swallowed it, but because there are vapors in your mouth.  THey also pick up on hand sanitizer, and colonge/perfume/body spray.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if it dissipates w/in 2 minutes&#8230;if you car is on recirculating air, where is it dissipating to? Um, it is dissipating into the air of the car&#8230;and recirculating over and over and over.  There&#8217;s no where for it to go so the sensor will pick it up for MUCH longer than 2 minutes.  More like over an hour.</p>
<p>In addition, intoxicated backseat passengers also set off the sensor.</p>
<p>Oh, and if your windows are down or if the car is on fresh air, the sensor won&#8217;t pick alcohol up in the air. Think about it.</p>
<p>I work in auto safety research and am currently working on studying a passive alcohol sensor and trying to understand what it does and does not pick up on.  It&#8217;s a nice technology and maybe someday will be there&#8230;but not yet.  I&#8221;m quite frustrated by it&#8217;s limitations.  </p>
<p>Besides the blow tube (which isn&#8217;t a passive sensor), I just don&#8217;t see how you can have a sensor in a car that will pick up on the driver&#8217;s alcohol-laden breath, but not the passengers&#8217;, and not non-imbibed substances like mouthwash or hand sanitizer or cologne.  </p>
<p>Maybe getting morons to stop drinking and driving &#8211; or outfitting cars with a breathalyzer and free alternate rides home &#8211; would work better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing diplomatic about it Jason. It is what it is. Be nice or don&#039;t drive. Maybe go to your room without dinner....LOL...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing diplomatic about it Jason. It is what it is. Be nice or don&#8217;t drive. Maybe go to your room without dinner&#8230;.LOL&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickey - Good points as well - I love discussing this topic. There are a lot of issues at play here and the responses from people are incredible. As you say, driving is a privilege - I was trying to be diplomatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey &#8211; Good points as well &#8211; I love discussing this topic. There are a lot of issues at play here and the responses from people are incredible. As you say, driving is a privilege &#8211; I was trying to be diplomatic.</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn - Great comments. I agree that a home and a vehicle don&#039;t entail the same rights, even if they are legally considered similar (as Mickey pointed out). I also believe that mouthwash, cough syrup, and a host of other consumer products might cause false positives with the &quot;sniff&quot; sensor, but the technology being tested would also include a system for measuring alcohol output in sweat glands on your hands...but this begs the question &quot;What if I wear gloves?&quot; 

Perhaps these sensors combined with some electronics that measure vehicle inputs (like steering wheel motion, brakes, and throttle) could be used to determine if a driver is inebriated. It&#039;s an interesting idea...but as Mickey has pointed out, we already have a system in place for catching drunk drivers that&#039;s much less complicated. Too bad it doesn&#039;t work better. All in all Shawn, great points, great analysis, great comment - keep em&#039; coming. This is one of my favorite posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn &#8211; Great comments. I agree that a home and a vehicle don&#8217;t entail the same rights, even if they are legally considered similar (as Mickey pointed out). I also believe that mouthwash, cough syrup, and a host of other consumer products might cause false positives with the &#8220;sniff&#8221; sensor, but the technology being tested would also include a system for measuring alcohol output in sweat glands on your hands&#8230;but this begs the question &#8220;What if I wear gloves?&#8221; </p>
<p>Perhaps these sensors combined with some electronics that measure vehicle inputs (like steering wheel motion, brakes, and throttle) could be used to determine if a driver is inebriated. It&#8217;s an interesting idea&#8230;but as Mickey has pointed out, we already have a system in place for catching drunk drivers that&#8217;s much less complicated. Too bad it doesn&#8217;t work better. All in all Shawn, great points, great analysis, great comment &#8211; keep em&#8217; coming. This is one of my favorite posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn talk to Louisiana about the car being an extention of your home. There it is. I don&#039;t make the laws there, I just follow them. Example if someone breaks into your home you can use what force deems neccessary to stop the intruder. Well your car is the same if they break into it. That&#039;s as far as it goes. As they tried to explain the problem about the one person who is the designated driver and he has four other drunk passengers with him then the car won&#039;t start because the alcohol is present because the passengers. This would also happened to a taxi cab driver if he picks up a drunk to take him home and the sensors pick up on it. I very seldom drink and when I do it&#039;s at home on a weekend or a day that I know I don&#039;t have to work the next day. I particular don&#039;t care for this system. Whether you see it or not but your rights are slowly being taken away little by little. Jason it&#039;s a priviledge to have a driver license. When they revoke your license they revoke your priviledge to drive. Ohh about the mouthwash apparently you haven&#039;t tried blowing into that tube before. Mouthwash will trigger the sensor if it&#039;s strong enough. Go ahead and take the blow test from a cop and see how your alcohol content is. Oh BTW the mouthwash I use &quot;Equate&quot; the cheap Walmart brand ohh yeah it has 21.6% alcohol in it. Imagine that. Oh yeah don&#039;t have a cold and use your cough medicine and whammo no work today. Each person may react different to these two things I mention but who&#039;s going to be the person they will model after. I don&#039;t care for the drunk driver being on the road either. They already have in place methods of finding these people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn talk to Louisiana about the car being an extention of your home. There it is. I don&#8217;t make the laws there, I just follow them. Example if someone breaks into your home you can use what force deems neccessary to stop the intruder. Well your car is the same if they break into it. That&#8217;s as far as it goes. As they tried to explain the problem about the one person who is the designated driver and he has four other drunk passengers with him then the car won&#8217;t start because the alcohol is present because the passengers. This would also happened to a taxi cab driver if he picks up a drunk to take him home and the sensors pick up on it. I very seldom drink and when I do it&#8217;s at home on a weekend or a day that I know I don&#8217;t have to work the next day. I particular don&#8217;t care for this system. Whether you see it or not but your rights are slowly being taken away little by little. Jason it&#8217;s a priviledge to have a driver license. When they revoke your license they revoke your priviledge to drive. Ohh about the mouthwash apparently you haven&#8217;t tried blowing into that tube before. Mouthwash will trigger the sensor if it&#8217;s strong enough. Go ahead and take the blow test from a cop and see how your alcohol content is. Oh BTW the mouthwash I use &#8220;Equate&#8221; the cheap Walmart brand ohh yeah it has 21.6% alcohol in it. Imagine that. Oh yeah don&#8217;t have a cold and use your cough medicine and whammo no work today. Each person may react different to these two things I mention but who&#8217;s going to be the person they will model after. I don&#8217;t care for the drunk driver being on the road either. They already have in place methods of finding these people.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of these comments are from ill informed people - so let me set the record straight on a few things based on fact.  

Mouthwash - unless you use mouthwash as you are walking down your driveway, using mouthwash will not affect your ability to drive your car.  It dissapates within 2 minutes.  You&#039;ll still be putting your shoes on and grabbing your keys.  Worse case scenario if you like to use your mouthwash while sitting in your driveway, you just have to rinse with water afterwards.  Might take an additional 7 seconds.  But who uses mouthwash in their driveway anyway?

Car is an extension of your home - I don&#039;t even know how to respond to this.  In your car,  you are on public property sharing the roads with other citizens who are all ordered to follow laws.  In your house, you do as you please.  At home you can get drunk or walk around naked.  In public, you&#039;d be arrested for public intoxication and indecent exposure - so how can anyone argue &quot;your car is an extension of your home&quot;?  Once you cross your property line and/or conduct actions that potentially impact the safety of others, the police have every right to do what they do.  That&#039;s why we pay taxes.

A passive alcohol detection system is ideal IF IT WORKS.  No intrusion.  No hassle.  No manufacturer has figured it out yet (perfectly), but with any technology, you start with an idea, then prototype, then eventually it makes its way into production.  It will be less intrusive that clicking your seatbelt once it&#039;s figured out.  5-10  years until that time though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these comments are from ill informed people &#8211; so let me set the record straight on a few things based on fact.  </p>
<p>Mouthwash &#8211; unless you use mouthwash as you are walking down your driveway, using mouthwash will not affect your ability to drive your car.  It dissapates within 2 minutes.  You&#8217;ll still be putting your shoes on and grabbing your keys.  Worse case scenario if you like to use your mouthwash while sitting in your driveway, you just have to rinse with water afterwards.  Might take an additional 7 seconds.  But who uses mouthwash in their driveway anyway?</p>
<p>Car is an extension of your home &#8211; I don&#8217;t even know how to respond to this.  In your car,  you are on public property sharing the roads with other citizens who are all ordered to follow laws.  In your house, you do as you please.  At home you can get drunk or walk around naked.  In public, you&#8217;d be arrested for public intoxication and indecent exposure &#8211; so how can anyone argue &#8220;your car is an extension of your home&#8221;?  Once you cross your property line and/or conduct actions that potentially impact the safety of others, the police have every right to do what they do.  That&#8217;s why we pay taxes.</p>
<p>A passive alcohol detection system is ideal IF IT WORKS.  No intrusion.  No hassle.  No manufacturer has figured it out yet (perfectly), but with any technology, you start with an idea, then prototype, then eventually it makes its way into production.  It will be less intrusive that clicking your seatbelt once it&#8217;s figured out.  5-10  years until that time though.</p>
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		<title>By: admin (Jason)</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - I don&#039;t think that driving is a right - I think it&#039;s a privilege. Privacy isn&#039;t technically a right, but I believe it should be. Still, neither driving or privacy are protected by the bill of rights. Ultimately, I&#039;m not sure that the benefits of privacy should extend to driving drunk. It certainly doesn&#039;t pass the logic test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; I don&#8217;t think that driving is a right &#8211; I think it&#8217;s a privilege. Privacy isn&#8217;t technically a right, but I believe it should be. Still, neither driving or privacy are protected by the bill of rights. Ultimately, I&#8217;m not sure that the benefits of privacy should extend to driving drunk. It certainly doesn&#8217;t pass the logic test.</p>
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