Comments on: NUMMI Workers Picket Toyota at California Auto Show – Why? http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/ Toyota Tundra News, Reviews, Accessories, and Information Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:32:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jasonhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11507 Jason Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:36:34 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11507 Anonymous - I'm not sure what you're asking exactly in your question (hard to understand what you wrote), but the answer is Toyota decided it's cheaper to build cars elsewhere. I'm guessing that the NUMMI facility will be liquidated as a condition of the old GM's bankruptcy proceedings (which are ongoing). Anonymous – I’m not sure what you’re asking exactly in your question (hard to understand what you wrote), but the answer is Toyota decided it’s cheaper to build cars elsewhere. I’m guessing that the NUMMI facility will be liquidated as a condition of the old GM’s bankruptcy proceedings (which are ongoing).

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11503 Anonymous Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:12:02 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11503 You can not answer a question with a question. This is not Jeopardy. You can not answer a question with a question. This is not Jeopardy.

]]> By: Mickeyhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11470 Mickey Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:48:45 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11470 Anonymous what about Mexico and Canada for your big 3? I get it that's okay. What happen to the plants in WI? Where did your plants move to? You want to talk crap then how about cleaning your own backyard before you tell someone else to clean there's. Anonymous what about Mexico and Canada for your big 3? I get it that’s okay. What happen to the plants in WI? Where did your plants move to? You want to talk crap then how about cleaning your own backyard before you tell someone else to clean there’s.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11465 Anonymous Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:41:47 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11465 So the question was if the plant is no sold they will still have to pay property taxes and general upkeep of the facility unless they demolish it. So is their anyone planned to but it. If not how will moving be efficient when you still have responsibility of the last plant? As for Mickeys comment, Toyota claims they are American made yet they shut down a plant and send production to Canada for one model while they are advertising they are moving production to a planet in Texas. I apologize I pulled your string but don't advertise american made if you shut down a american plant and send production to a foreign company. So the question was if the plant is no sold they will still have to pay property taxes and general upkeep of the facility unless they demolish it. So is their anyone planned to but it. If not how will moving be efficient when you still have responsibility of the last plant? As for Mickeys comment, Toyota claims they are American made yet they shut down a plant and send production to Canada for one model while they are advertising they are moving production to a planet in Texas. I apologize I pulled your string but don’t advertise american made if you shut down a american plant and send production to a foreign company.

]]> By: Jasonhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11462 Jason Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:45:16 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11462 NUMMI was a 50-50 partnership to start with, but in the last decade it's been building mostly Toyota products. I think that Toyota genuinely considered keeping NUMMI open, but who knows. It's possible that it was just posturing.It sucks when plants close, but I blame the people of California. They elected a legislature that passed a lot of laws and regulations that made business difficult. CEO's and independent analysts say California is one of the worst places to run a business in the country. Check this article out: http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2009/09/02/california-regulations-taxes-kill-nummi/ NUMMI was a 50-50 partnership to start with, but in the last decade it’s been building mostly Toyota products. I think that Toyota genuinely considered keeping NUMMI open, but who knows. It’s possible that it was just posturing.

It sucks when plants close, but I blame the people of California. They elected a legislature that passed a lot of laws and regulations that made business difficult. CEO’s and independent analysts say California is one of the worst places to run a business in the country. Check this article out:
http://www.tundraheadquarters......ill-nummi/

]]> By: Mickeyhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11454 Mickey Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:43:28 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11454 Jason I agree with your first comment about learning a new skill while you can. Also agree with the plant moving. As you mention the age of the plant weighs in pretty good. All the money being put into a plant which is old to keep it up to date becomes costly. Coupled that with the taxes being put on plant with no incentives to keep it there. Yes cheaper labor also in Texas at a new plant. I also agree with the comment about what you stated on thet Toyota doesn't care for the American people. Before anonymous can even mention that he/she has forgotten that where their clothes, electronic's etc come from. All these plants closed in the US and went abroad. It boils down to plain economics 101. You don't make a profit you don't stay in business. San Antonio plant has the room for the Tacome to be built there so that's why they moved it there. Cost effective. So now the Corolla will be built outside the states. Wasn't this plant already there? Again economics 101. You don't like it there anonymous don't call anyone on your cell phone or use your computer or much wear wrangler jeans an American icon whiched outsourced. We don't need to list everything that left. I can list a manufacturing company I worked for that was union and they left to go to Africa. Kaiser Aluminum. The last plant in USA is in Oakland. Back in 82 when they closed we were making $12 an hour. By going overseas they got a new plant which used "Pre-baked pots" vice the old "Soda-berg pots". Production was faster and cost less to make the aluminum. Not to mention it was cheaper to pay a worker in Africa $1-2 an hour than $12 an hour at the plant I was at. This plant employed 2,000 people and part of the "Local Steel Workers Union". Jason I agree with your first comment about learning a new skill while you can. Also agree with the plant moving. As you mention the age of the plant weighs in pretty good. All the money being put into a plant which is old to keep it up to date becomes costly. Coupled that with the taxes being put on plant with no incentives to keep it there. Yes cheaper labor also in Texas at a new plant. I also agree with the comment about what you stated on thet Toyota doesn’t care for the American people. Before anonymous can even mention that he/she has forgotten that where their clothes, electronic’s etc come from. All these plants closed in the US and went abroad. It boils down to plain economics 101. You don’t make a profit you don’t stay in business. San Antonio plant has the room for the Tacome to be built there so that’s why they moved it there. Cost effective. So now the Corolla will be built outside the states. Wasn’t this plant already there? Again economics 101. You don’t like it there anonymous don’t call anyone on your cell phone or use your computer or much wear wrangler jeans an American icon whiched outsourced. We don’t need to list everything that left. I can list a manufacturing company I worked for that was union and they left to go to Africa. Kaiser Aluminum. The last plant in USA is in Oakland. Back in 82 when they closed we were making $12 an hour. By going overseas they got a new plant which used “Pre-baked pots” vice the old “Soda-berg pots”. Production was faster and cost less to make the aluminum. Not to mention it was cheaper to pay a worker in Africa $1-2 an hour than $12 an hour at the plant I was at. This plant employed 2,000 people and part of the “Local Steel Workers Union”.

]]> By: mkhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11446 mk Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:41:37 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11446 Paul, great comment on a plant closing affects not just the plant employees, but the town, surrounding towns, and other suppliers. The local GM plant in Janesville WI (one of the oldest GM plants around) with a population of only about 55K closed Dec. 23, 2008 and the trickle down effect is still huge. The largest employer just shut its doors and closed at least 3 other suppliers in the process, if not more that I am not aware of. The unemployment rate in Janesville is about 10% or slightly above and has been as high as almost 20% in nearby Beloit, WI and a lot of that is due to the plant closing. Think about it, 1 in 5 citizens unemployed is huge! Tough times all over and not just in WI. Paul, great comment on a plant closing affects not just the plant employees, but the town, surrounding towns, and other suppliers. The local GM plant in Janesville WI (one of the oldest GM plants around) with a population of only about 55K closed Dec. 23, 2008 and the trickle down effect is still huge. The largest employer just shut its doors and closed at least 3 other suppliers in the process, if not more that I am not aware of. The unemployment rate in Janesville is about 10% or slightly above and has been as high as almost 20% in nearby Beloit, WI and a lot of that is due to the plant closing. Think about it, 1 in 5 citizens unemployed is huge! Tough times all over and not just in WI.

]]> By: Paulhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11441 Paul Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:09:19 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11441 I can attest for one of the big 3 caring for their employees, even 10 years after retiring. When I have a issue they take care of it, well beyond what I ever expected. So what is going to be done with the NUMMI planet? Is it going to sit and be a eye sore or is their already a buyer? If it is not being sold or can not be sold what do you think will happen? They will still have to pay taxes and other costs to either maintain the grounds or demolish it. So how will it be cost effective if they can not part with it? It they can find a buyer and make a profit I see the advantage. With that being said who owns it GM or Toyota? Is it 50/50? People don't understand that a planet in a town closing will have dramatic effects on more than just the employee's, it effects everything in that town all the way to possibly the region. Some individuals need to look at the big picture and effects! Taking american jobs and sending them to Canada. I can attest for one of the big 3 caring for their employees, even 10 years after retiring. When I have a issue they take care of it, well beyond what I ever expected. So what is going to be done with the NUMMI planet? Is it going to sit and be a eye sore or is their already a buyer? If it is not being sold or can not be sold what do you think will happen? They will still have to pay taxes and other costs to either maintain the grounds or demolish it. So how will it be cost effective if they can not part with it? It they can find a buyer and make a profit I see the advantage. With that being said who owns it GM or Toyota? Is it 50/50? People don’t understand that a planet in a town closing will have dramatic effects on more than just the employee’s, it effects everything in that town all the way to possibly the region. Some individuals need to look at the big picture and effects! Taking american jobs and sending them to Canada.

]]> By: Jasonhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11436 Jason Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:11:52 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11436 To the second anonymous comment, thanks for sharing. That's good info that wasn't included in the original report. It sounds as if things at the UAW are still profoundly disfunctional. As many have said, the worst enemy of the UAW is the UAW itself. Good luck to you and all the other NUMMI employees. To the second anonymous comment, thanks for sharing. That’s good info that wasn’t included in the original report. It sounds as if things at the UAW are still profoundly disfunctional. As many have said, the worst enemy of the UAW is the UAW itself. Good luck to you and all the other NUMMI employees.

]]> By: Jasonhttp://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/2010/01/13/nummi-workers-picket-toyota-auto-show/#comment-11435 Jason Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:04:36 +0000 http://www.tundraheadquarters.com/blog/?p=2488#comment-11435 To the first anonymous comment, the answer is that it IS cheaper to move the plant. I'm no expert on manufacturing, but the people who are have said that Toyota's higher costs are due to the age of the plant, the higher wages paid to UAW members, and the regulatory climate in California. As for your point about "they don't care about the American worker," I think that can be said of any big corporation. Ask former GM employees in Flint, Michigan if GM cares about them, and I'm sure you won't get a positive answer. To the first anonymous comment, the answer is that it IS cheaper to move the plant. I’m no expert on manufacturing, but the people who are have said that Toyota’s higher costs are due to the age of the plant, the higher wages paid to UAW members, and the regulatory climate in California. As for your point about “they don’t care about the American worker,” I think that can be said of any big corporation. Ask former GM employees in Flint, Michigan if GM cares about them, and I’m sure you won’t get a positive answer.

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