Ask Doug Thorley – Headers, Flow and Power Gains Over Stock

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Doug Thorley is a respected name in the headers business, having honed its reputation over 50 years as a brand that can be counted on for excellent quality, factory fit and durability. In addition to building after market headers for a wide range of vehicles – including the Toyota Tundra – Doug Thorley Headers has also served as an OEM manufacturer for Suzuki of America, Honda’s AMA superbike race team, Kawasaki of America and even TRD, amongst others.

We interviewed Jamie Joyce, the Automotive R & D Manager for Doug Thorley Headers, last week in order to ask some questions about general questions about headers, and specifically how they can help improve the Tundra’s performance.

Question 1: How much better do Doug Thorley headers flow compared to the stock 2007 and up Tundra exhaust manifold?

We were particularly curious as to the answer to this question due to the fact that the 5.7 liter Tundra’s stock equipment has such a stellar reputation. We also asked Jamie what exactly they did in order to improve on the Toyota design, and if it was difficult to produce meaningful power gains.

Doug Thorley headers Tundra dyno

Dyno graph for a Tundra 5.7L V8 with Doug Thorley short tube headers

Doug Thorley long tube headers Toyota Tundra dyno graph

Long tube Doug Thorley headers on a Tundra 5.7 (click for a larger view)

Jamie’s response was that Doug Thorley introduced scavenging into the Tundra header mix, which was absent from the stock units. According to Jamie, while scavenging is essentially headers 101 for the aftermarket, Toyota didn’t rise to the occasion when producing their stock units due to the fact that their tri-y design doesn’t actually offer a true division between each tube. As a result, there are runners which are simply dumped into the first available tube for each header. He further went on to explain that the lack of a smooth transition between primaries and the merge collector in the stock headers also fight against adequate scavenging. The Doug Thorley units take care of this problem by offering three distinct collectors per side, in addition to pairing up each tube according to the engine’s firing order in order to properly phase the headers.

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. The dyno graph above shows a solid increase in torque from about 2,000 RPM on.

Question 2: Is there any benefit to installing headers without an after market cat-back exhaust system already in place?

Jamie assured us that all of the headers that Doug Thorley tests on the dyno in order to back up their performance claims are done with fully stock exhaust systems. Their dyno graphs indicate that usable power is definitely generated by their headers even in the absence of a full exhaust treatment.

We did follow-up with a question asking whether there were any particular catback systems that he would recommend in order to match up well with the headers produced by his company. Jamie’s response indicated that higher cost, higher quality catbacks outperformed inexpensive units, but that it was largely a question of personal preference when it comes to sound, not total power output when it came to differentiating between the major manufacturers.

In other words, it doesn’t matter what Tundra cat-back exhaust you buy so long as you buy a good one.

That wraps up the first part of our discussion with Jamie from Doug Thorley headers, in which he helped us understand why we might want to consider an aftermarket solution to replace our stock Tundra units. In the second and final parts of our interview we will delve into one of the most contentious aspects of the header debate – short tubes versus long tubes – and get some long-awaited answers regarding pickup truck applications for each.

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  1. THUNDER ROAD says:

    was going to get those but for 4.7 but they would have to be on back order. then street side auto like me get JBA for the same price. going to get them install friday. going to try to get picture of them install monday. it’s a small area and not sure if it will be a good picture. but send them in and let Jason think if it a good picture to put on the site.

  2. Jason says:

    Thunder Road – Looking forward to a pic! Thanks for commenting.

  3. THUNDER ROAD says:

    hope they are good headers

  4. Jason says:

    Me too!

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